robert jones, Llanarmon, Denbighshire

[JamesDMcBust]

I'm trying to place Robert Jones within a family.  He was born 1841 in Llanarmon, Denbighshire.  Also, he eventually married a Margaret Walters (born Marchwiel in 1852). Can anyone please give me any information on either? 

Many thanks.

[Gadget]

Hi James 

Is that Llanarmon yn Ial, Llanarmon Dyffryn Ceiriog or Llanarmon Mynydd Mawr.

I have the registers for the last two but not for the first 

Do you have their marriage date/reference? This would give their parents' names.

Regards

Gadget

[wrjones]

I am struggling to find any Margaret Walters born in Denbighshire in 1852 on any Birth Index or Census.

Regards
William Russell Jones
Cefn Mawr
Wrexham.

[Gadget]

There are two Robert Jones on the 1891 born Llanarmon (unspecified) 1840-41 in Wrexham but neither are married to a Margaret.

James, would it be possible for you to give us more details of the couple - when they married, where you've found them, occupations, etc.

Gadget

[JamesDMcBust]

Thanks Gadget & William.  I found Robert & family on 1891 census - and I apologise but I got his wife's name wrong - it was Charlotte.

Robert Jones  1841   Llanarmon, Denbighshire
Charlotte 1852  Marchwiel
Walter  1878  Gwersyllt
Florence  1881  Gwersyllt
Lottie  1887 Brymbo
John  1890  Brymbo

I don't have a marriage date/place but Robert is listed on 1891 census as joiner.  His birth place is just listed as "Llanarmon".  Hope some of this helps.

[Gadget]

Hi James

I found that one but because of wife's name, i dismissed it 

Robert Jones is a difficult name to find - so many (as I know with my own lines!) but this looks a likely - b. Lanarmon in Yale (yn Ial)

1851

HO107/2504 Folio 27 Page 14
Brenhinlle or Bronhinlle, Chwyleiriog, Llanarmon in Yale, Ruthin

John Jones, 34, farmer of 13 acres, b.Abergele
Sarah, 33, b. Lanarmon Yale
Robert, 10, scholar, b. Lanarmon Yale
Jabez, 8, scholar, b. Lanarmon Yale
Anne, 6, scholar, b. Lanarmon Yale
Sarah, 3, b. Lanarmon Yale


Gadget

[Gadget]

There is also this one - again Llanarmon yn Ial

1851

HO107/2504 Folio 54 Page 18
Cefn Gwyn, Cyfnant, Llanarmon, Ruthin
Robert Jones, 50, ag lab, b. Gwyddelwern
Elizabeth, 48, b. Flintshire, Hope
Robert, 11, b. Llanarmon
Harriet, 7,  b. Llanarmon
Hannah, 2,  b. Llanarmon


Gadget

[Gadget]

Hello James

Are you sure about Charlotte's surname. I can't find a birth for her on the North Wales BMD or a marriage to Robert 

You really need their marriage cert to find out Robert's father's name/occupation.

Gadget

[Gadget]

Working them back from your 1891 info:

1881

RG11/5517 Folio 135 Page 53
Gwersyllt Hill

Robert Jones, 40, carpenter, b. Llanarmon
Charlotte, 29, b. Marchweil
Deborah, 12, b.Brymbo
Emily A, 5, Gwersyllt
Walter, 3, Gwersyllt


Gadget