Male or Female?

[cheshiremog]

Yes I am having trouble believing that these could be children of a hawker - they are very well dressed as are the wedding group
I think the older child is definately a boy

[honey-roma88]

Gisela - that colour and restore is superb. Thank you so much.

rabbit, cheshire and luas - they definitely were not wealthy. Charlotte (their mother, my ggg aunt) was a Romany gypsy.  Not exactly the top end of the food chain. I have no idea how they got such beautiful clothes but I think it is highly likely that Jack was a hawker seeing as half my family were.

Thank you everyone for your help on this matter, I think the death certificate is fairly conclusive although irritatingly vague. I still can't make up my mind by just looking at the children themselves. 

[Rabbit B]

Gisela - that colour and restore is superb. Thank you so much.

rabbit, cheshire and luas - they definitely were not wealthy. Charlotte (their mother, my ggg aunt) was a Romany gypsy.  Not exactly the top end of the food chain. I have no idea how they got such beautiful clothes but I think it is highly likely that Jack was a hawker seeing as half my family were.

Thank you everyone for your help on this matter, I think the death certificate is fairly conclusive although irritatingly vague. I still can't make up my mind by just looking at the children themselves. 

Hi honey-roma88,

I think that people make far too much of what is and what isn't!  Most of us have mongrel blood somewhere in the families.

My Uncle married a girl who's family were extremely wealthy, and her Dad was a rag and bone man before he got into scrap metal.  Who else could afford to run a Rolls before the war.

I still think that the children are most beautifully dressed all things considered! 

Rabbit B 

[IgorStrav]

I'd missed your posting when you confirmed the death as the young girl, Honey Roma, but this picture is a particularly haunting one for some reason, so I was glad to see it at the top of the board again and catch up with the details.

What happened to Johnny?  Do you know his later history?

[honey-roma88]

Hello

I know this is bringing up a very old post but I have recently discovered the truth and I thought I would just share it with you. I never go on here anymore but today I received a death certificate which I am now certain is the girl.

The boy is the older child and the girl is the baby. Her name was Florence Lilian Holland (named after her cousin Lilian Florence Tarling no doubt) and she died aged 21 months (so not long after this photo was taken) of encephalitis (8 days) - which I believe is usually caused by an infection so either the doctor saw swelling in the brain and assumed encephalitis or her father was unfairly blamed for her death or perhaps the injury caused an infection to enter her brain...Who knows? 

Either way I would just like to say thank you so much to everyone who answered me and helped so much and a special thank you to all of the people who took time to restore the photos I posted. I am so glad I finally have her name now and can put her in the family tree with a name and a face rather than supposition.
I may not be back here for a while so apologies if I do not reply straight away.

EDIT - Sorry I will get to each previous reply soon but I am very busy getting ready to go back to work in Africa soon. 

[honey-roma88]

I'd missed your posting when you confirmed the death as the young girl, Honey Roma, but this picture is a particularly haunting one for some reason, so I was glad to see it at the top of the board again and catch up with the details.

What happened to Johnny?  Do you know his later history?

I'm afraid I know very little of Johnny after his childhood. Recent searches on ancestry.co.uk have shown he married and had one child but I have no idea what happened to him. My grandmother remembers him as a very handsome young man but she was just a small child at the time so doesn't know anything else.

[IgorStrav]

Honey Roma

thank you so much for updating this story.  I think you will find that many people have continued to find this picture particularly haunting.

Now I know that this lovely baby, so beautiful and so alert, died sadly shortly after the picture, it will remain haunting for me.

A particularly beautiful picture.

Many thanks for sharing it.

 

[Tugboat Annie]

Honey-Roma,

Thank you so much for this story, Igor is right ... it will haunt us

Ann

[VictorianDreamer]

Sad, sad story. 

Victoria