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Re: Male or Female?
« Reply #9 on: Sunday 18 May 08 02:57 BST (UK) »
Hi Roma..............Sorry to hear of the tragic story behind this family, I could imagine the tremendous strain there would have been.

Carolyn :)
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Sadler - Dymock & Salford           Tomlinson - St Peters, Leeds
Wilkinson - Salford                      Chant - Sherbourne, Dorset
Garner - Pendleton

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« Reply #10 on: Sunday 18 May 08 03:11 BST (UK) »
Sorry...but I think the oldest child is the boy just by the hands and the haircut and the shape and size of the head.... very striking lovely children.

mab 
Census information is Crown copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

Inishowen: Meenamullaghan (Big Hill), Foffenagh (Rock), Illies and area...mainly McCallion, Doherty, Bradley, Grant, Devlin
Kilmacrenan: Gortnacorrib....Bonner
Scotland: Bonar, Boner Bonner etc
Conwal: Kirkstown.....Toner, Parke
Derry City: Bonner, McGowan, McGilloway, McElwee, Bradley
Omagh: Bradley
Fanad Penninsular, Donegal.....McBride, Friel, Fielty
Sligo: McGowan

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« Reply #11 on: Sunday 18 May 08 06:09 BST (UK) »
Hi Roma..........Heres another colour version for you.


Carolyn  :)
Townson - Cartmel                      O'Malley - Askeaton, Ireland
Sadler - Dymock & Salford           Tomlinson - St Peters, Leeds
Wilkinson - Salford                      Chant - Sherbourne, Dorset
Garner - Pendleton

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Re: Male or Female?
« Reply #12 on: Sunday 18 May 08 12:14 BST (UK) »
Wow, how lovely to wake up and find all this.  :D

saddles, they are both gorgeous.  :)
niksmum, thank you that is lovely.  :)
forthefamily....I know, it is strange isn't it which is why I have been having so much trouble. I wish I could find her birth or death and then I could perhaps work out how old she would have been. I might have to go back to ancestry and trawl the death records.
Romany/Traveller:
BLACKMAN, BUCKLAND, BURGESS, DIX, DOBSON, FOLEY, GRANT/PARKER, HUNT, JONES, MUNDAY/MONDAY, MORGAN, NOYELL, ORCHARD, PAGE, REED, VINCENT

Jewish:
BRAHAM, FROST, LYONS

French:
HONEYSETT, LEVETT PETTIT

English:
BELSHAW, BETTSWORTH, CANE, COVENTRY, DOBSON, FRY,  NURSE, POOK, PUTLAND, PUTT, SMITH, SNELGROVE, TEE, TUDGAY, VENUS/VENESS

Irish:
ANDERSON, KILLOUGH, MACCORMACK, MACROBERTS, MORTON, MOORE, WALLACE

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« Reply #13 on: Sunday 18 May 08 15:32 BST (UK) »
Hello I just wondered if this picture of the boy Johnny at about 11 would help. I think he looks quite a bit like the older child now...I am so confused... :(
I put a red dot on Johnny to see if anyone has a better idea than me, I'm not very good with this sort of thing. Sorry there are so many circles and words but it was already like that so I better to use this one.
I know it's not a great picture but I thought the eyebrows and eyes look more like the older child who I had always thought was the girl. ???

Romany/Traveller:
BLACKMAN, BUCKLAND, BURGESS, DIX, DOBSON, FOLEY, GRANT/PARKER, HUNT, JONES, MUNDAY/MONDAY, MORGAN, NOYELL, ORCHARD, PAGE, REED, VINCENT

Jewish:
BRAHAM, FROST, LYONS

French:
HONEYSETT, LEVETT PETTIT

English:
BELSHAW, BETTSWORTH, CANE, COVENTRY, DOBSON, FRY,  NURSE, POOK, PUTLAND, PUTT, SMITH, SNELGROVE, TEE, TUDGAY, VENUS/VENESS

Irish:
ANDERSON, KILLOUGH, MACCORMACK, MACROBERTS, MORTON, MOORE, WALLACE

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« Reply #14 on: Sunday 18 May 08 16:55 BST (UK) »
Wow. What a great picture to have..... ;D

Hmmmmm.....yes the eyes and the cheekbones and the shape of the mouth....I still think the oldest is Johnny but as you say it's difficult.

mab
Census information is Crown copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

Inishowen: Meenamullaghan (Big Hill), Foffenagh (Rock), Illies and area...mainly McCallion, Doherty, Bradley, Grant, Devlin
Kilmacrenan: Gortnacorrib....Bonner
Scotland: Bonar, Boner Bonner etc
Conwal: Kirkstown.....Toner, Parke
Derry City: Bonner, McGowan, McGilloway, McElwee, Bradley
Omagh: Bradley
Fanad Penninsular, Donegal.....McBride, Friel, Fielty
Sligo: McGowan

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Re: Male or Female?
« Reply #15 on: Sunday 18 May 08 18:49 BST (UK) »
What a wonderful photo!  I think that the baby and the older child would have been very alike, their eyes look identical to me.  :-\

I wish we could know for sure!

Elin

Foxwell (Wotton Under Edge and South Wales), Howell (Stroud & Wotton Under Edge), Jones (South Wales) Merrigan (Liverpool), Kelly (Liverpool) Titley (Lincolnshire and Staffordshire)  Hellier (Somerset and Monmouthshire)           All UK census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

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Re: Male or Female?
« Reply #16 on: Sunday 18 May 08 18:52 BST (UK) »
Quote from: elin on Sunday 18 May 08 18:49 BST (UK)
What a wonderful photo!  I think that the baby and the older child would have been very alike, their eyes look identical to me.  :-\

I wish we could know for sure!

Elin



I agree they look really similar but I always thought the baby's eyes looked more intense. I am completely confused, to me it looks like an older girl with her baby brother but the girl isn't completely feminine enough to be certain... ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ???
Romany/Traveller:
BLACKMAN, BUCKLAND, BURGESS, DIX, DOBSON, FOLEY, GRANT/PARKER, HUNT, JONES, MUNDAY/MONDAY, MORGAN, NOYELL, ORCHARD, PAGE, REED, VINCENT

Jewish:
BRAHAM, FROST, LYONS

French:
HONEYSETT, LEVETT PETTIT

English:
BELSHAW, BETTSWORTH, CANE, COVENTRY, DOBSON, FRY,  NURSE, POOK, PUTLAND, PUTT, SMITH, SNELGROVE, TEE, TUDGAY, VENUS/VENESS

Irish:
ANDERSON, KILLOUGH, MACCORMACK, MACROBERTS, MORTON, MOORE, WALLACE

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« Reply #17 on: Sunday 18 May 08 18:59 BST (UK) »
Just a thought - if you know the family, can't you look on BMD to see the births of the children?

Then surely there will be either a girl first, followed by Johnny,  or Johnny first, followed by his sister.

Then you could look up the BMD to find when the little girl died?

That would surely prove without further doubt who was the older and who was the baby in the picture?

Pay, Kent. 
Barham, Kent. 
Cork(e), Kent. 
Cooley, Kent.
Barwell, Rutland/Northants/Greenwich.
Cotterill, Derbys.
Van Steenhoven/Steenhoven/Hoven, Nord Brabant/Belgium/East London.
Kesneer Belgium/East London
Burton, East London.
Barlow, East London
Wayling, East London
Wade, Greenwich/Brightlingsea, Essex.
Thorpe, Brightlingsea, Essex
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