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Offline chrissey

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1851 cencus look up please
« on: Friday 16 May 08 12:10 BST (UK) »
i am trying to find out when james lafferty and his wife ann hill moved from ireland to greenock

i wonder if anyone could have a look on the 1851 cencus for me

many thanks

chrissey

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Re: 1851 cencus look up please
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 17 May 08 13:36 BST (UK) »
Hi Chrissey,

I couldn't find them on the 1851, sorry!

Nina
CARSON - Glasgow, Ayr and Ireland
CLARK - Dunbarton
CORR - Glasgow and Ireland
COTTERILL - Glasgow and England
CROMBIE - Glasgow, Ayr and Ireland
DOCHERTY - Glasgow
EASTON - Dunbarton, Renfrew and Glasgow
GLANCY - Glasgow and Ireland
GORDON - Glasgow and Ireland
GRANELLI - Glasgow and Italy
LOGAN - Glasgow and Ireland
MAIN - Fearn, Ross & Cromarty and Glasgow
MCCORMICK - Glasgow and England
MCNICOL - Glasgow and Ireland
O'BRIEN - Glasgow and  Ireland
WATSON - Glasgow

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Re: 1851 cencus look up please
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 17 May 08 21:51 BST (UK) »
thankyou for looking nina 

, i think they are on the 1861 so they must have come over sometime between the two


love chrissey

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Re: 1851 cencus look up please
« Reply #3 on: Monday 07 July 08 05:15 BST (UK) »
Hi,


Have done some searching and was not able to find your
family until the 1881 Census....
Here they are I believe....

James Lafferty
Age: 50 abt. 1831
Born: Co Donegal,Ireland
Living at Greenoch West,Renfrewshire
61 Dalrymple St.
General Labouror
Wife
Ann Lafferty
Age: 60 abt. 1821
Born: Co Donegal,Ireland
Roll: cssct1881-166
Ed:1
Household: 119

Hope this is them and that it will help..Crookedtail
Paterson ...Lanarkshire,Old Monkland/Ayrshire
Penman..Lanarkshire,Fife
Brown  ..Old Monkland,Dennistown/Townhead
Moir...Dennistown
Beattie..????
Wood...Renfrewshire
Merrilees...Dennistown/Ayrshire
Davies...Wales
Richards..Wales
Howell..Wales


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Re: 1851 cencus look up please
« Reply #4 on: Monday 07 July 08 08:42 BST (UK) »
Hi CHrissey

In this topic:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,100347.0.html

a chatter gave you this information:
JAMES LAFFERTY-    27
ANN LAFFERTY  -     24
1851: PARISH- GREENOCK, DISTRICT 439, BOOK 76, PAGE 15.

Which looks a bit like an Index-only entry.....

On A*try, they have been entered as:

1851: 32 West Burn Street, Greenock West,
Parish 439, Book 76, pg  15
Head: James GAZZERTY 27, Railway Labourer, b Ireland
Wife: Ann GAZZERTY 24, b Ireland

I admit to being a bit confused though after going the other topics....
You say your James and Ann didn't marry until 1862 (in Greenock)  but had children before then (the first one in 1852?)
He died 1862 - same year as they married?
She died 1890?

Cheers
AMBLY

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Re: 1851 cencus look up please
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 10 July 08 07:17 BST (UK) »
Hi Chrissey

All of the children to this couple (James Lafferty and Ann Hill) on the IGI are submitted records. The civil records for Scotland from 1855 to 1875 are on the IGI, so it seems even the ones listed 1857,1858, 1863 and 1865 may have been born elsewhere, or not registered?   This would lead me to doubt the 1852 entry as well. None of the entries has an exact date. Have you found your couple with any of these children 1861 or 1871?

The marriage is also a submitted record only, although it has an exact date. It seems strange that these events would not have been registered?? Could they have been born in Ireland?

Have you checked Scotlands People to see if there is a record of any children being born in Scotland? It is always possible that they were missed on the IGI.

Apologies if you already know this, I haven't checked all your other threads.

Trish

 
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Re: 1851 cencus look up please
« Reply #6 on: Monday 14 July 08 05:48 BST (UK) »
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All of the children to this couple (James Lafferty and Ann Hill) on the IGI are submitted records.

When I look at the IGI for children of James Lafferty and Ann Hill, I see one LDS submission (James, born in Antrim about 1859), one Old Parish Register transcription (George, b. 1852, Greenock) and four General Registry Office Scotland transcriptions (Samuel, 1857; James, 1858; Alexander, 1863 and Deborah, 1865). LDS submitted names are in lower case while transcribed OPR/GROS names are in UPPER CASE.

The LDS IGI database at familysearch.org is limited in the number of records that are accessible in each batch (e.g., 5000 OPR birth records, 3192 OPR marriage records, etc). The workaround has the excess records shown as "submissions" not "transciptions". The batch number shown is for the original batch the record was uploaded with but they don't get a final batch # to show what OPR/GROS Volume they were transcribed from. Also, the LDS doesn't seem to have transcribed GROS death records to for the IGI, so they get handled differently than birth or marriage records.

E.g., In the case of James, the batch # F868732 means it was the 32nd batch entered on the 87th day of 1986. The birth date of about 1858 and marriage date of about 1883 means it is probably a transcription of a GROS death record.
- Also in batch 868732 is the 26sep1871 death of John Fielding.
- In batch 8111931 is the 26jul1855 death of Fielding's first wife, Catherine Mc Gregor (my gg-grand-aunt).
- Her birth in 1895 at Balquidder shows up in the IGI as a transcribed record in batch C113314.
- The births of her five brothers in Killin do not show as being in batch C113612; they're shown as submissions in batches 7417620, 7417621, 7417622 and 7417623. But if you go to a LDS Family History Centre and look at the LDS OPR microfiche, her brothers are all recorded correctly in batch C113612. With a 5000 record cut-off,  thousands of Killin births before 1855 aren't listed at familysearch.org as being C113612.

In short, names in CAPITAL LETTERS mean the record was transcribed and Lower Case Letters mean it was submitted by an LDS member, regardless of what the website says. If the IGI name shows up in CAPS, you can probably find the record at ScotlandsPeople.   
SCOTLAND
ANS: Gall/Gaul at Tannadice and Inverarity; Souter/Soutar/Soutor at Airlie; Clark at Arbroath; Ogilvie
CLK: Vallance
FIF: Scott at Letham; Reekie at Newburgh and Falkland; Morice/Morris; Clough/Clow
PER: M'Grigor/M'Gregor/MacGregor at Killin, Balquhidder and Callander; Ferguson at Callander; Clark/Clerk/Clarke at Killin and Errol; McCallum; Scott at Dunbarney
STI: McGregor/MacGregor at Buchanan and Drymen; Gall at Buchanan and Drymen

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Re: 1851 cencus look up please
« Reply #7 on: Monday 14 July 08 08:59 BST (UK) »
I have no inside knowledge of the IGI creation and maintenance, but whenever the term submitted is used in the message associated with the record, I consider it a submitted record, and look elsewhere for verification.

In my use of the IGI, I have found extracted records in lower case and submitted records in upper case - I do not use this to distinguish.

I would still suggest that ScotlandsPeople be checked for the birth records. A record stating born about nnnn does not encourage one to think it is a definite event. There are 15 births with the surname Lafferty from Greenock between 1855 and 1865. It would cost one credit to list these children. I currently have 9 expired credits, so do not intend to purchase 30 more until I need some for my own research.

Trish
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Re: 1851 cencus look up please
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 31 July 08 21:37 BST (UK) »
thankyou all so much

the more i go into this the more complicated it gets

so far i have had several conflicting birhts and deaths

i do have marrige records for the 1878 marrige of james s son james and elizabeth glabriath  but that seems to be as far as i can get on the scottish records

once again thankyou all so much

chrissey