death lookup - william aitken

[apanderson]

I agree Gadget.

I think there's more than one family here and somewhere along the line, they've all got mixed up. I doubt too, that Isabella would go from being the lady of a country estate to a humble tavern keeper.

Did you have a look at Glenbervie?

I had a wee look at the 1881 Cencus and the last two men on the inscription are still at 'Darroch'

James AITKEN, Head, Unmarried, age 46, Solicitor (Writer), born Falkirk, Stirling, Scotland
Henry AITKEN, Brother, Unmarried, age 42, Coal Master, born Falkirk, Stirling, Scotland

I think it might be a case of back to the drawing board 

Anne

[MonicaL]

Hi All

Just been catching up with this post following on from the other thread in the search for parents to Thomas Alexander.

Ann, we do have two separate Stirlingshire families headed up by Henry Aitkens, both writers. As already covered, Henry, from Darroch,  married to Margaret Russell, father James and mother Janet who died in 1860 and whose will/testament is showing on SP. The children that you show on the MI show on the early censuses. Wife Margaret Russell shows a good 16 yrs younger than husband.

Then we have Henry Scrimegour A. and Isabella/Eleanor who were the parents to Thomas (Alexander) Aitken as showing on Thomas A's 1862 MC to Jane.

With no death cert (or will/testament) for Henry S. Aitken, will be hard to determine his parentage.

Monica 

Jackie, as I mentioned in my original posts when you were looking for the Thomas Alexander who left for SA, it is vital to verify at least the key info from certs otherwise it is easy, as can be seen from this research, to deviate off the line 

[MonicaL]

Apologies if this has already been included in this thread  - this looks a strong contender for Henry S's birth or christening (can't tell from the SP index which). To parents Thomas A. and Helen Scrimgeour:

1806 - Henry
1807 - Helen
1808 - Alexander

Monica

[MonicaL]

Thomas and Helen married on 06 JUN 1801 at the Edinburgh Parish, Edinburgh. From the OPRs (as showing on IGI), Helen's father is showing as HENRY SCRIMGEOUR.

There might be some further detail on the OPR entry regarding the bride and groom.

Monica

[Gadget]

Hi All

Jackie, as I mentioned in my original posts when you were looking for the Thomas Alexander who left for SA, it is vital to verify at least the key info from certs otherwise it is easy, as can be seen from this research, to deviate off the line 

Hi Monica

i've been saying this for quite a while now but each time i come on the people seem to have  changed.

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,303696.msg1856087.html#msg1856087

i'm very doubtful about the correct line on this one. I'd like more info on the Thomas who went to SA. I think we're all repeating stuff and going around in circles.

Jackie, as Ann said,  I think it's back to the drawing board and start with what you really know and can verify - chasing Aitkens all around the Kingdom isn't helping anyone.


Gadget

[Gadget]

hi gadget,

This is what i have at present:

1.Thomas Aitken marr Margaret Douglas
2.William Aitken B1792 Falkirk D bet 1841 and 1851 marr 1820 to Henrietta Petrie (siblings James, Thomas, Margaret and Ann)
3.Thomas Alexander Aitken B1830 Falkirk D6-6-1893 Partick marr 1862 to Jane Sutherland Murray (Siblings Thomas Hamilton, Margaret Douglas, Agnes, Helen Scrimgeour)
4.Thomas Alexander Aitken B8-4-1863 Tradeston D4-9-1937 South Africa (have his death
certificate) (He also married a lady by the name of Harriet, but unsure whether she was from
South Africa or Scotland or elsewhere) (siblings Henry John Murray, Annie Sutherland, Charles Bruce, Eleanor Isabella, Mary Ann, James McIntyre, George E, William S, Jane, Margaret)
5.Phillip Alexander Sutherland Aitken B1893 South Africa D1984 South Africa (siblings Charles,
Sybil and Winifred) marr Muriel Ivy Duncan
6.Living Aitken

I only have LDS site to work from, so it has been quite difficult.  I find Scotland is hard to find information, as with my English lines, I use freebmd quite a bit.

The rand/pound rate makes things difficult as well:)

Regards
Jackie

I think this is the link that we need to explore first. Do we have proof that this Thomas is the one who married Harriet in South Africa. A marriage cert or some kind of record is necessary, I think. it might give info on his parents.

Gadget

[bowes]

Hi guys,

Phew, you have all been so busy on my behalf, and for that i thank you.
 I will go back to step one and see what i can find out.

regards
jackie

[Gadget]

Jackie

First thing that might help - what does it give on his death cert (4 Sept 1937) - age, parents, wife, etc.?

Gadget

[bowes]

hi there,

family are still saying there is that connection to Lord Beaverbrook.  He was William Maxwell Aitken born 1879 to father Rev William Cuthbert Aitken. 

When i look again at death notice, it gives his age as 76 years, which would make him born about 1861.  He was definitely Thomas Alexander Aitken.  His wife was shown as "Harriet".  No date for marriage or place indicated - just blank.  occupation was commercial bookkeeper.  He was widowed when he died, Harriet having died in 1903.  The matron of the hospital signed his death notice.

I went to look at IGI and found 5 Thomas Aitkens, none of them have Alexander in them. 

I tried to find more information on the Beaverbrook side, perhaps giving me a clue as to where Thomas was born, which would make the one born in Lanark as a possibility.  Again, no proof.  No family papers available, lost years ago:(

I had a look at the children of Thomas Alexander (Sybil, Charles, Winifred and Phillip) to see if there was perhaps a naming tradition applicable, but so far nothing.

Regards
Jackie