death lookup - william aitken

[bowes]

Hi there,

I got William and Henrietta's children through MonicaLesL on IGI.
Thanks apanderson for your info.  I will hold off on the Agnes and John info for now.
Henrietta was visiting her daughter Margaret in the 1851 census.
I don't have anything on the 1861 census's so not sure where she was then.

Regards
Jackie

[Gadget]

Hi Jackie

The children's names are fine - I looked them up as well, on the other thread. It's the marriages that I'm querying. Coonwarra says that you have the wrong marriage for Agnes. If so, it's not really worth looking her up as she's not yours.

Gadget

[bowes]

hi there gadget,

I did see another agnes marriage to a robert ingram on 24-6-1842 in Falkirk on IGI.  Not sure if that is correct marriage?
I posted a lookup for 1861 and 1871 for some of the siblings to agnes, but nothing received yet.

Family have said that this line is connected to Lord Beaverbrook, but I have not found a link yet.
Maybe if i could find some more children of the siblings and also of the next generation from Thomas Alexander and Jane Sutherland Murray marriage, i will find the link somewhere, but at present, nothing yet.

Regards
Jackie

[Gadget]

Hi Jackie

I assume that you have got one line back to one of these children? How are you descended from them?

It's easier to work back through a direct line and then work forward one at a time than looking at all of the children.

You should check for deaths of all of the ones who lived beyond 1855. The certs will show their parents and you can then be sure that you have the correct ones.


Gadget

[bowes]

hi gadget,

This is what i have at present:

1.Thomas Aitken marr Margaret Douglas
2.William Aitken B1792 Falkirk D bet 1841 and 1851 marr 1820 to Henrietta Petrie (siblings James, Thomas, Margaret and Ann)
3.Thomas Alexander Aitken B1830 Falkirk D6-6-1893 Partick marr 1862 to Jane Sutherland Murray (Siblings Thomas Hamilton, Margaret Douglas, Agnes, Helen Scrimgeour)
4.Thomas Alexander Aitken B8-4-1863 Tradeston D4-9-1937 South Africa (have his death
certificate) (He also married a lady by the name of Harriet, but unsure whether she was from
South Africa or Scotland or elsewhere) (siblings Henry John Murray, Annie Sutherland, Charles Bruce, Eleanor Isabella, Mary Ann, James McIntyre, George E, William S, Jane, Margaret)
5.Phillip Alexander Sutherland Aitken B1893 South Africa D1984 South Africa (siblings Charles,
Sybil and Winifred) marr Muriel Ivy Duncan
6.Living Aitken

I only have LDS site to work from, so it has been quite difficult.  I find Scotland is hard to find information, as with my English lines, I use freebmd quite a bit.

The rand/pound rate makes things difficult as well:)

Regards
Jackie

[andrew shanks]

Hi Jackie

Re. the earlier mention of Lord Beaverbrook - his father was William Cuthbert Aitken, who came from Torphichen in West Lothian and his grandfather was Robert Aitken, also of Torphichen.  I have details of Beaverbrook's direct line in West Lothian (or Linlithgowshire as most of it was once known) going back to about 1590. 

West Lothian borders Stirlingshire, so I guess a connection is possible, although you need to be aware that Aitken is a very common name in this part of the world.

If you do have a connection I would suggest that you need to look at the earlier generations.  Do you know the origins of the Thomas Aitken that married Margaret Douglas?

 

[bowes]

Hi there,

I have been searching and searching for most of the day, and this is what I have now found:

When I looked again at the census for 1871 and 1881 for my Thomas Alexander Aitken, it shows an age difference of about 3 years between Thomas and Jane Sutherland Murray.  If Jane was born 22 May 1841, then Thomas would have been born about 1838. 
When I look at Thomas's birth for 1838 in Falkirk, I get parents as Henry S Aitken and Eleanor Elizabeth Mowat.  (2 of Thomas and Jane's children were called Henry John Murray and Eleanor Isabella)
Thomas's birth is shown on IGI as 23 April 1838 in Falkirk, Batch C119707.

I also found on British newspapers, an obituary as follows:
Aitken, at 19 Albion Crescent, Thomas Alexander Aitken, son of the late H S Aitken, W.S, Edinburgh - Only imitation.

On IGI he is shown as an only child.

There is a birth for Henry Aitken chrs 1 Dec 1811 in Falkirk, to parents, wait for it......John Aitken and Agnes Waddell Batch C119702.

This now throws out my previous ideas for his family in my previous message.

I will now have to repost a request for a lookup for 1841, 1851, 1861 census for Thomas with parents as Henry and Eleanor. 

By the way, children of Thomas and Jane are: Henry John Murray Aitken, Annie Sutherland A, Charles Bruce A, Eleanor Isabella A, Mary Ann A, James McIntyre A, George E A, William S A, Thomas Alexander A.

Comments??

Regards
Jackie

[andrew shanks]

Hi Jackie

Henry Aitken, son of John Aitken and Agnes Waddell, who was christened 1 dec 1811 married Mary Allan at Falkirk in 1848, so I don't think he is your man.

 

[bowes]

Okay, maybe there is another Henry.  But Thomas's father must be Henry, as if I follow my original line with William being Thomas's father, then with him being born in 1830 and his wife being born in 1841, makes an 11 year difference, wife being older.

Regards
Jackie