Herbert George Crawley birth & parents lookup

[lizdb]

Brilliant Tati!

MAkes me think even more that there is a link with that Crawley/Crowley family I spent so much time on - not only did thay have a daughter Mary who married a Penn (as did Elizabeth) but they also had a lodger called Green!!!! (and Eliz's mother Ellen married a Green!!)

Anyway - just got to find Elizabeth in 1891 just before Herbert was born.....(sense of deja vu here - I started the whole process by looking for her in 1891!)

[Tati]

OK, here she is:

1891
RG12/851 68 36
Havant, Hampshire
South StJohn Green, head, 60, Labourer General, b. Nottinghamshire Nottingham
Ellen, wife, 53, b. Bedford Hitchan
Elizabeth Crawley, stepdau, s, 22, Domestic servant, b. Hants Portsea
George Green, son, 11, scholar, b. Havant

I was hoping to find a Albert/Bert etc. Churcher in the same town as her but there isn't one (well, if we rule out the boy Albert Churcher age 12 ) Not sure how we'll identify Bertie!!   

[forester]

Going by Herbert's service papers, he was born about June 1891, if my maths is right.
1901 census age backs that up.

Phil 

[lizdb]

going back to the 1901 census (when Eliz is Mrs Penn) the boarder, George Green must be her half brother!

[Starteck2002]

I really appreciate the work you ppl are doing... Just incase i am not reading the name 'Bertie Churcher' correctly i have put a good quality scan of the marriage cert here:

http://www.starteckonline.com/family/Documents/Marriage/Herbert%20George%20Crawley%20&%20Edith%20Mary%20Bridger%20-%201913.jpg

[lizdb]

Looks like Bertie Churcher grocers asst to me!

[Tati]

Yes, clearly Grocer's assistant.

I'm hoping with Liz that the Albert George Crawley registered in Sep 1891 is the correct boy. 

[Starteck2002]

Looks like i will have to order that certificate to find out...

Well i think i have this right:

John Crawley and Rebecca Lawrence are parents of Ellen Crawley.

Ellen Crawley has  3 children (father unknown):

Ellen Eugenia Crawley 1866–1874
Elizabeth Crawley 1869–
Theresa Crawley 1874–

She then marries John Green who has two children from a previous marriage (William Green [1865] and  George Green [1880])

Ellen E Crawley goes on to have Herbert G Crawley....

So far so good.... now i need to know: Did Ellen have a husband prior to John Green (i can't find one) and who was John Greens first wife?

Thanks for all the help you are giving...

Dave

[Tati]

.... now i need to know: Did Ellen have a husband prior to John Green

I wouldn't think so, given she's unmarried in 1871 and marries in her maiden name Crawley