The Lusitania Sinking & Philips Park Cemetery

[Barbara.H]

I just had a quick look on FindMyPast Marine Death Index 1903 - 1965;  I couldn't see any Gilpins in 1915,1916 1917 or 1918.  (Don't know when they would have found the body or how long it would have taken to register).

Don't have full FindMyPast membership and only had a few credits left! So I didn't know where else to look on that site - but its a start    What are consular bmds? FindMyPast had those. Might he be in there?

Barbara

[uk2003]

Cheers Emms & Barbara

Sadly he is not on the CWGC site  - tried backtracking via census reports, and it looked promising to start off with

DATA REMOVED DUE TO BREACH OF CENSUS COPYRIGHT

Cant find George

Mother has moved back to Leeds with Lily and Son-in-Law

Walter is living with his wife/family in Salford

My thinking is, if this is the right George A Gilpin to which the email relates.
He may have gone to the the USA (but cant find him on the Ellisisland website). 
And unless Walter moved to Manchester he will be buried in Salford somewhere, seems more likely his brother would collect his body.

Just got to keep on digging

[liverpool annie]

Can I please go off topic and give you two brothers from the Liverpool area ??

Birkenhead-born Leslie Morton, aged 18, has a unique place in history for using his eyes. He was the lookout who first spotted the torpedo which sank the Lusitania as she headed for Liverpool on 7 May 1915. It was just after lunchtime on a bright, sunny day and the sea was calm when the German submarine U-20 launched its deadly attack.
As the great ship passed the lighthouse at the Old Head of Kinsale, southern Ireland, Leslie was stationed on the bow of the liner. Suddenly, he spotted thin lines of foam racing towards the ship and shouted: “Torpedoes coming in on the starboard”.  A large explosion shook the Cunard vessel as the torpedo blew a large hole in her right side. The Lusitania began to sink very rapidly at the bow and within 18 minutes she was on the bottom of the Irish Sea. A total of 1,195 people died in the tragedy.
Leslie Morton and his brother Clifford, who was nearly 19 at the time of the disaster (they were not twins).
Both brothers saved many lives and Leslie was later considered to be the “outstanding hero of the Lusitania disaster”.
They joined the crew of the Lusitania as ordinary seamen in New York. The brothers were among eight crew from the Liverpool sailing ship Naiad who jumped ship to join Lusitania. All planned to join the Royal Navy once they returned to England. The Morton brothers were the only ones to survive the sinking.

[liverpool annie]

I found this ... but it says London !

GILPIN, G. A. London, England. Passenger: first class. On the Sunday, May 9, list of missing and probable dead.

http://www.relativesremembered.com/memorialtemplates/displaymemorial.php?memid=444

[uk2003]

I've had that reply from the Lustiania historian with a possible target person

Hi Ken,
 
Thanks for your e-mail.  Interesting project you're working on and one of particular interest to me because one of my research in finding graves of Lusitania victims and survivors. 
 
I looked through my cemetery list, and I didn't see anything for Philips Park, but I did find a man by the name of George Arthur Gilpin, who I have down as being buried in Manchester but with no cemetery listed.  I wonder if that 's who it might be?  He was lost, and his body was recovered.
 
I hope this helps, and if there is anything else I can do, please let me know.  I'd also like to know if you have found or are looking for other Lustiania graves.
 
Regards,
 
Eric Sauder


www.northatlanticrun.com

Hi Annie

This is my posting earlier - I can only find 1 George Arthur/(A) Gilpin on any census report living between Salford & Leeds - but then again he may be down as just George Gilpin on the census and I have looked at the wrong person 

But nothing to say he did not move to London from 1891 until his death.

[emmsthheight]

Hi

There's a George Gilpin leaving via Liverpool fpr New York in 1897 birth date unknown

Also in 1891 but George H - any chance of H being A misread?

and in 1923 George Gilpin b 1869 approx left via Belfast for Canada - Evidently not him.

Sorry, I'm not signed up to them at the moment either.

British Cunsular BMD's?  I always thought that they were just that, that they were events reported to the consul and reported back to this country for recording.  I think I've been told they could overlap with chaplain's returns.  Of course, if he had emigrated, would he have a death cert in this country?

What about local deaths in Ireland if his body was recovered initially to Ireland?

Best wishes

Emms

[emmsthheight]

Hi Again

If anyone was on the library edition of Ancestry, they can get the USA immigration records or a census in USA or Canada that might show if he emigrated.

Emms

[Barbara.H]

There is some activity at Manchester Burial Records site again! Quick,  try a few names before it gets away!!

Arthur Gilpin in Philips Park but is buried 1881 - could there be a connection there?

  Barbara

[uk2003]

Will jump on that Barbara - but first got to get this off my chest before my head explodes 

Emms I have been looking on the ellisisland.com website and found this

George Arthur Gilpin - Male - 47 and 1 month - Single - Ethenicity British?English - Place of residence Republic de Salvadore, San Salvadore (slight age difference)

His ship arrived in New York on the 23rd April 1915 (3 weeks before the Lusitania was sunk)

and it states he was on route to:

Final destination
Leeds/London England
Elizabeth Mary Gilpin (Mother) 23 Marshall st, Leeds

Whether been to USA before yes 1909 (but cant find that entry)