SIVES - East Lothian - 1650/1890

[MonicaL]

Hi Norberto and Tom 

Norberto, have you got at least one reference to a Scottish connection for Archibald?

What about Carline Phiphotts, what were her origins?

Trying to see something in their children's names and possible use of Scottish naming pattern. This was not always used but it used in at least some way, it can give clues to family first names (see this guide for example www.halmyre.abel.co.uk/Family/naming.htm).

Monica

[MonicaL]

You have probably been through this site already, just adding some details as they differ a little from the children you listed. Not complete.

1882 Herbert Archibald Sives
1883 Charlotte Elizabeth
1885 James William Sives
1886 John Tierce (Pierce?) Sives
1888 Mary Helen Sives
1890 Caroline Pierce Sives
1892 Sarah Jane Sives
1894 Harriet Kidd Sives
1896 Archibald Sives
1898 Charles Sidney Sives

http://search.freefind.com/find.html?id=20088430&pageid=r&mode=ALL&n=0&_charset_=UTF-8&bcd=%C3%B7&query=sives

No clues on parents or from witnesses' names from the 1881 marriage www.argbrit.org/FlorencioVarela/FVarela_marrs1857-1909.htm

Cannot see the family easily in the 1895 Argentinian National census which is a pity    https://www.familysearch.org/search/collection/1410078 Have you been able to locate them on this, norbersive?

Monica

[MonicaL]

According to Family Search, marriage certs should be quite detailed and include parents' names www.familysearch.org/wiki/en/Argentina_Marriages_(FamilySearch_Historical_Records)  Haven't been able to find anything indexed on their marriage collection
www.familysearch.org/search/collection/1520572

However, these are Roman Catholic records.  Archibald Sives and Catherine Philpott may have belonged to a different denomination. Presbyterian likely as the records of the children's baptisms are from the Scots Church in Buenos Aires, maybe this one http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/scotsinargpat/scotschurch.htm

A guide to what may be found on death certs here www.familysearch.org/wiki/en/Argentina_Civil_Registration#Deaths_.28defunciones.29

Monica

[norbersives]

I thank you all for your contribution. I am going to try to go to Cañuelas to the Civil Registry and see if I find out if there is any document that indicates the names of Archibald Sives and Caroline Phillpotts.
I will post shortly to see if I have found anything.
Thank you very much.
Greetings.
Norberto.

[norbersives]

I have found out on the other hand that my great-grandfather Archibald Sives (1845-1916) can be the son of Archibald Sives (1813-1893) and Mary Alcock (1817-1892).
Located in Bushbury, Staffordshire,, England

[tidybooks]

Hi Norberto,

Did you get this information from an official certificate, I still cannot get this information online.

Tom

[norbersives]

No, but they came to get it.
I transcribe the information that happened to me:

It confirms that he was baptised on the 3 of June 1855. His parents were Archibald and Mary Sives.

His father was a 'Farm Bailiff' and they lived in Busbury.

This confirms the information given in census records.

If you would like to see the images I can send them to you.

[tidybooks]

Hi Norberto,

Does that mean born in 1845 but not baptised until 1855  as a 10 year old? What census did you find that information on. You are not getting this info from an Ancestry tree, by any chance?

Tom.

[norbersives]

That information happened to me. David Bate, he has the certificate and he told me he is going to send it to me.
I'm waiting for that certificate to arrive.