JOSEPH STOKES and DINAH SPENCER

[RobynD]

I am searching for the marriage of DINAH SPENCER, born 1790 in Sussex, to JOSEPH STOKES,  though I don't know his place of birth in England.  Joseph's occupation was a "silk weaver" - so maybe born in the Mile End area of London?  Though I can find no records of their marriage in that area, nor in the Sussex records.
 Their first child William was born September 1821 and baptised St. Leonards Shoreditch, November 1821, as were their 4 subsequent children.  They emigrated to Australia on the ship "Whirlwind" landing at Moreton Bay, Queensland, arriving June 1862.

If anyone is able to trace their marriage - place, dates, etc, I would be very appreciative.

With thanks from
Robyn D - in  rural  NSW, Australia


I've now reread the information , above, that I've posted and realised it's not clear just who migrated to Australia.

To clarify :The "they" who immigrated are -    William Stokes, born  September 1821, son of Joseph Stokes and Dinah Spencer, migrated in 1862 with his wife Eliza, nee Owen and their first five children (more children were subsequently born in Brisbane).

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[Daisypetal]

Hi,

I have found this marriage on Pallot's marriage index,

Jos STOKES
Diana SPENCER
1806  Hackney Middlesex



On the IGI I have found these children, with parents Joseph and Diana
 
Joseph STOKES
Birth:  09 OCT 1806
Christening: 24 OCT 1806 Saint Leonards, Shoreditch, London
 
Mary Ann STOKES
Birth:  14 MAR 1808  
Christening: 17 APR 1808 Spitalfields Christ Church
 
Matilda STOKES
Birth:  19 MAY 1819 
Christening: 16 JAN 1820 Saint Leonards, Shoreditch, London

Harriet STOKES
Birth:  18 OCT 1823   
Christening: 01 AUG 1824 Saint Leonards, Shoreditch, London



There are also these children with parents Joseph and Dinah,

David STOKES
Birth:  14 APR 1812 
Christening: 04 MAY 1812 Saint Leonards, Shoreditch, London

Matilda STOKES
Birth:  22 DEC 1815  
Christening: 10 FEB 1817 Saint Leonards, Shoreditch
 
Dinah STOKES
Birth:  30 OCT 1817 
Female Christening: 17 NOV 1817 Saint Leonards, Shoreditch, London

William STOKES
Birth:  06 SEP 1821 
Christening: 05 NOV 1821 Saint Leonards, Shoreditch, London

Matilda Elizabeth STOKES
Birth:  27 FEB 1828   
Christening: 09 MAR 1828 Saint Leonards, Shoreditch, London

Sarah Ann STOKES
Birth:  27 FEB 1828 
Christening: 09 MAR 1828 Saint Leonards, Shoreditch, London


I think Dinah and Diana be interchanged so I think it's possible that this is one family. Having three children named Matilda could mean the earlier two died, I've often seen children given dead siblings names.


You have William b.1821 as their first child, if you don't mind me asking, where do you find that info and who do you have as the 4 later children? Also do you have the family on any census before they emigrated in 1862?


Regards
Daisy

[Eyesee]

Possibly Joseph in 1841. No sign of Dinah/Diana

?? St, Hamlet of Mile End Old Town, Stepney
Joseph STOKES, 55, Silk weaver, yes (born in county)
William STOKES, 20, yes
Joseph STOKES, 12, yes
Robert STOKES, 15, yes
John SIMPSON, 30, yes
Ann STOKES, 15, yes

HO107; Piece 711; Book: 5; Civil Parish: Stepney; County: Middlesex; Enumeration District: 17; Folio: 37; Page: 7

William, Eliza and daughter Eliza were at Pound End in Braintree Essex, in 1851. Will post details later.

Ian C

[RobynD]

Ian - many thanks for that information.  I had received another reply from "Daisy" which lists some more children - all born  between 1806 and 1828.  But having the references is great.  It would appear that DINAH may have died by 1841? - perhaps after birth of Ann, born about  1826 (aged 12 in 1841 Census) ?  May be on Free BMD if after 1837.

I have posted another message clarifying some of the information in my first posting with regard to their son William and his wife and children - who came to Australia.

It's starting to come together for me, thanks to you and Daisy.

If I can just now find the marriage of DINAH SPENCER and JOSEPH STOKES, in Hackney 1806, to know who their fathers were, then I can hopefully  link to other information I have received from an Australian source.

Any other information you are able to access is greatly appreciated - it's a long way from London parish records from here.

With many thanks
Robyn D

[Jane Masri]

Hi Robyn,
The registers for Hackney (Tower Hamlets) are held at the London Metropolitan Archives (LMA)
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0jy/  One of our Rootschatters (Dawn) is offering to do look-ups on her visits to the LMA perhaps she can look at the entry for you although I doubt whether it would give parents names & I know there was more than one church in Hackney so might prove difficult    This is the link to her offer  http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,299099.0.html

jane

[RobynD]

Thank you Listers for all the information you have provided on my DINAH SPENCER and JOSEPH STOKES. 

However..... I think I need a birth/baptism  record for DINAH SPENCER so that I can get her parents (well, her  father's at least) Christian and Surname.  I have the  record of a Dinah Spencer born in Sussex in 1790, but I'm not totally convinced she is the correct one.

Is it possible to search the various  London area parishes to see if there are any other DINAH/DIANA SPENCERs born at about that time ?

I think her marriage in 1806 in Hackney is correct, (but it doesn't give her parents names, being pre-1837),  as her numerous children were born from 1806 onwards.   if so, then she would have been born about 1790 + or - a bit.

It seems unusual for someone born in Sussex to not be married in her own parish church;  therefore I am wondering if she may have been born someone in the east/south London area, as she  married to Joseph Stokes, who was born and lived in Mile End, and to then be married at Hackney - church unknown, though would have been a protestant church, probably C of E.

I know I  have these people's  names correct as they are  from the birth of her son William b. 1821, who is my husband's direct ancestor.  Her children were baptised at St. Leonard's Shoreditch, all except Mary  Ann Stokes b. 1808, who was baptised at Spitalfields Christ Church.  Also, son William  after migrating to Brisbane, Queensland  gave his children  all the  same Christian names.

I am reluctant to ask Dawn to search for this Dinah in an unknown parish and unknown church, without more information to give her, so hope someone out there might have more details of DINAH/DIANA  SPENCER'S baptism

I think I am asking rather a lot of you all , and am very appreciative of the time and effort you all put in to undertake searches for people like me  half way round the world in Australia trying to find our English ancestors.

With  many thanks and  much appreciation
Sincerely
Robyn D

[Jane Masri]

Hi Robyn,
On the IGI http://www.familysearch.org/  There is an extracted record of the baptism of Diana Spencer 14/6/1786, St. John, Hackney.  Daughter of William.  Not very helpful that they've only recorded the father's name    But at least it looks good to me & you have the name of the church, St. John, which I believe is the main parish church.
Using Hugh Wallis's site  http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~hughwallis/

THere are two other baptism's recorded for this Spencer (Spenser) family in St. John's, in the right time-frame,

William  28/2/1781 & Harriott 6/5/1785 both have the father as William.  Unfortunately the marriages for St. John's on the IGI only go up to 1754 which I think is too early to find the marriage of William to Dinah's mother.

There is a death for a Dinah Stokes on FreeBMD but it's in Walsall  which is far away from Hackney.

jane

[RobynD]

Jane - many thanks again for your searches. Sorry for the delay in replying - had Internet problems for the last 3 days, but back on line  again now.  

I wish I could be certain that the DINAH on her son William's  birth certificate is the same as the DIANA SPENCER you've found for me in St. John's, Hackney.   Transcription error, probably.   I think DINAH must have died pre-1841, as she's not on the census for that year though husband Joseph is. I'll have a good look at Hugh Wallis' site again.  
Thanks for the leads/links.  Much appreciated.
RobynD in Australia

[Jane Masri]

Robyn, don't discount this Diana 1786, as Daisy said & from my own experience, Diana/Diane & Dinah are interchangeable.
As Joseph was a silk weaver you might be interested in this article about Spitlefields the centre of the London industry  http://www.icons.org.uk/theicons/collection/brick-lane/biography/huguenot-weavers

jane