Irish to Scotland - Famine years

[Irishjust]

Is there any list of the immigration of Irish to Scotland during the famine years (1845-1851) in Scotland?

Were there passenger lists or any records kept by the Scottish government on the Irish entering at that time or even into the late 1850's?

I've looked at so many passenger lists on every site I could find and have found no mention of this.

Thanks for any suggestions

[murphy60]

Hi Irishjust,   welcome to RC!   My understanding is no,  there were not records of the migration from Ireland to Scotland.   They just freely went over.

Who are you looking for??   I have several surnames I'm looking for that are on your research list which migrated during the famine years to the U.S. and possibly Scotland as well.

 
lissa

[Irishjust]

Hi Lissa,

Thanks for the reply, That's what I was afraid of since I wasn't finding any such lists. Oh well 

The names I am looking for that went from Ireland to Scotland are mainly Tague, Fanning, Gilmartin and Griffin.

I was trying this angle to see if I could find where in Ireland they were from. Hoping a passenger list or a Scotland record of arrival would show where in Ireland they were from.

My main concern is Tague, I know they were from either Leitrim or Roscommon.

I have a Thomas Tague married to Bridget Fanning, both born c.1799 in Ireland (don't know if they immigrated to Scotland)

Their child Thomas Tague b: c.1825 Ireland, d:1875 Scotland married Anne (Nancy) Savage (don't know if they were married in Ireland or Scotland) But both immigrated to Scotland

Their first child was born in Scotland in 1855.

So that tells me Thomas and Anne Tague were in Scotland bef. 1855. Once in Scotland I have records for this Tague family as well as the others listed above.
(census, death certs. cemetery records and even photos of the grave stones)

I have found Tague and Fanning together in the Griffith's Valuation in Fenagh Parish in County Leitrim. (None togehter in Roscommon)

I have had researchers from the History Centers in Leitrim and Roscommon look for records for Tague and none so far have mathched up. 
I thought if I could find the parish or townland I could then go to the Catholic Church records in those areas.  Any suggestions? Or is this a real brickwall due to the lack of records for Ireland.

What are the surnames you share with me?

Thanks again for your reply.

Irish

[Berlin-Bob]

Hi Irish,

Welcome to RootsChat 

As Lissa has already said, there were no lists of irish emigrants - they were all from Great Britain going to other parts of Great Britain.

Sometimes there are local lists, compiled for various reasons, even it was just someone interested in local history.

I'll move this posting to the "Ireland - General"  board, perhaps someone there can help you with a bit more information.

best wishes
Bob

[aghadowey]

What about Scottish census records- do any give county of birth in Ireland?

I have a Thomas Tague married to Bridget Fanning, both born c.1799 in Ireland (don't know if they immigrated to Scotland)
Their child Thomas Tague b: c.1825 Ireland, d:1875 Scotland married Anne (Nancy) Savage (don't know if they were married in Ireland or Scotland) But both immigrated to Scotland
Their first child was born in Scotland in 1855.

Does the child's birth certificate (1855) list date and place of parents' marriage?

Tague might also be written as Teague/McTeague, etc.

[murphy60]

Hi Irish,   I'll PM you re:  the surnames that we are both researching.   Don't want to "hijack" your thread.

 
lissa

[Irishjust]

Bob,
Thanks for the info and your suggestion and also the welcome although I have been around now for a year. 


aghadowey,
Thanks for your advice, Unfortunatley any records I have found only say Ireland, none list the county or town. The birth certificate does not give place of marriage for the parents, that would be too easy. And why should genealogy be easy? haha
And thank you for the alternate spellings, I am aware of those and search for all variants.

Thanks to both of you for your time.

[Christopher]

Hi Irish,

Welcome to RootsChat 

As Lissa has already said, there were no lists of irish emigrants - they were all from Great Britain going to other parts of Great Britain.

Sometimes there are local lists, compiled for various reasons, even it was just someone interested in local history.

I'll move this posting to the "Ireland - General"  board, perhaps someone there can help you with a bit more information.

best wishes
Bob

Welcome to RootsChat Irish,

Bob, it must be some years since you wore short trousers and sat at a desk studying Geography at school. Did your school not have a large map of the World on the wall? It had different colours so that you could see the British Isles, the Commonwealth countries and the countries within the British Empire as well as foreign countries. 

Great Britain is England, Scotland and Wales. If you include Ireland you have the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland. The Irish were travelling from one part of the United Kingdom to another part of the United Kingdom.  People migrated from one county to another within Great Britain in the same way as the Irish migrated from Ireland to Great Britain.

Irish, if you can find your ancestors on the 1848-1864 Griffith's Valuation of Ireland on John Hayes failteromhat.com website then you need to look at the Annual Revision Books which date from 1860-1930 to find possible dates of death or emigration. You'll find some information about these Revision Books on Bob Murray's website. www.youririsheyes.com/land_records.html

Your ancestors may have travelled from North Connaught or Ulster.
Have a look at "Crossing the sea from Ireland to Britain - Links" www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,302303.0.html

Irish Ancestors Surname Search gives the distribution of surnames in Ireland. www.ireland.com/ancestor/surname

Christopher

[Mean_genie]

Irish

You don't say where in Scotland your Tague were, but am I right in thinking that Thomas and Nancy are the couple having children in Bothwell between 1856 and 1874, as shown on FamilySearch? If so, it's a pity the first child was born in 1856, not 1855, because 1855 certificates are better than any other year. You said that the birth certificate of the first child did not show the date and place of the parent' marriage, which would be the case in 1856, but from 1861 onwards this information was included, so you will find it on the birth certificate of of one of the younger children. Cross your fingers and hope it shows the marriage was somewhere in Ireland.

Mant of the Irish who moved to South-west Scotland applied for Poor Relief at some point, and the records, can give a tremendous amount of information. Many of these are held at the Mitchell Library in Glasgow, and a lot of them are indexed.

Good luck

Mean_genie