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Re: DAVIDSON family - NEWBURGH 1893/KIRKCALDY FROM 1908
« Reply #72 on: Friday 12 August 11 16:47 BST (UK) »
Hi Sheila and Chiad,

Well here's another angle, I double checked for Barbara Hardie's marriage record, and if you remember, she was recorded on William's Marriage Record as Barbra "Davison". Well there may well be a reason for this:


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So this would tie William further in to these parents, but doesn't explain the "Davidson". What was Chiad spoke of, more questions than answers...

I had a check then for William Randolf Davis, no luck. Here's SP's for William Davis:

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Do you have Barbara and William's original marriage certificate?
I can't find William Davidson's marriage to Barbara on IGI.
Were they married?
Could William Davis have died and she took up with William Davidson?
Was the Davis a mistranscription?
Is this why we can't find him???

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Re: DAVIDSON family - NEWBURGH 1893/KIRKCALDY FROM 1908
« Reply #73 on: Saturday 13 August 11 12:49 BST (UK) »
Hi Sheila and Chiad,
I've had a look backwards and forwards on Ancestry through the latter part of the century for William and Barbara.

I couldn't find anything on the Davis angle, so I'm putting that aside for the time being.

It would seem that Barbara Davidson, nee Hardy was present in Ayr in 1861 and 1871. No records exist for her either after this period, either as Davidson, or with another surname (say that William Davidson, her husband, not present in the census, had died and she had remarried).

I then went backwards and forwards on William Davidson, spouse to Barbara, and children born to this couple. I wondered if they had all emigrated.  William and Barbara Davidson's last child Jeanie, was born in Ayr and I found her as a servant in the 1891 census. So no complete family emigration.

I'm supposing that Barbara died and had a closer look at William Davidson. Based on 1861 census, William Davidson, was born in Portpartrick, 1833.  As Barbara has disappeared from the census, I checked for William Davidson with his details.

I found a William Davidson working as a dairyman, with these birth details with Agnes Davidson in 1881.
It would seem he had remarried, as his daughter Mary (to Barbara) was still living with him.

So I did some checking and I found a marriage record on IGI:


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If this is the same William Davidson, this would give us a death date for Barbara as between 1871 and 1874.

In the 1881 census with William and Agnes Davidson, is William Davidson, born 1861, Ayr.

I went forward and William Davidson doesn't appear on any other census after 1881. However Agnes (still with Mary, daughter of Barbara) is now head indicating that William has died before the 1891 census.
Using the dates of the birth of William and Agnes's last child, and 1891 census, I narrowed his death between (1885 - 1891).

I checked on SP and found William's Death Certificate which gives us the following information:
William Davidson, Dairyman, 35 Kyle Street, Ayr, 54 years, died of Brights Disease and dropsy on 16th April 1888. His spouse is Agnes McLeod and his parents are William Davidson, deceased, Cattle Dealer and Mary Gray (?spelling), deceased. It gives his daughter Mary as Witness (wouldn't it have been great if it had been William Randolph Davidson?!)

Send me a pm with your email address and I'll send it on.

Now the names of Barbara Davison (similar to Davis as on her marriage certificate) and William Davidson
(did it give an occupation of William Randolph Davidson's marriage certificate? - yes miner mmm) and the fact both are deceased, link to William Randolph Davidson's marriage in 1893.

But, if this Barbara and William Davidson are the parents to William Randolph Davidson, then William senior's occupation on his marriage certificate would have recorded him as "dairyman" as opposed to "miner", don't you think?

So we're left with several options:

this is the wrong family for William Randolph Davidson;

there are two Davidson families living in and around Ayr, dairymen and miners and I've got the Death Cert for the wrong man.

Or, if going by occupations, I've traced the wrong man...

or William could have been delivering coal and milk...

No easy answers here!!!
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Re: DAVIDSON family - NEWBURGH 1893/KIRKCALDY FROM 1908
« Reply #74 on: Saturday 13 August 11 13:04 BST (UK) »
Hi Sheila and Chiad,

I figured that to link it all together, we needed more on Barbra. 

So I went looking for a marriage certificate for Barb* Hard* (to cover all spellings!) and found her on the 23rd March 1857, in Ochiltree and it gives the following information:
William Davis, 26 years of Ayr, occupation (looks like) "?ostler" (Possibly Hostler?), his father as William Davis, Cattle Dealer and mother Mary Grey (deceased); Barbra Hardie, 20 years, of Hunterston, Ochiltree, Occupation Domestic Servant, Father William Hardie coal-miner (deceased), Mother Agnes Campbell.

Again, pm me and I'll send on the certificate.

Well, now we know that Barbara Hardie was married to William Davis, the same William Davidson who later married Agnes McLeod, given the names and occupations of William's father, the cattle dealer.

So we've got the right parents and family in the census, but does it bring us any closer to linking William Randolph Davidson to this family?

The Davis/Davison/Davidson angle is interesting, and links to the Barbra "Davison", on William Randolph Davidson's marriage certificate., as well as both his parents being deceased.

The Randolf Hardie connection (from several posts ago) is interesting, but not proof. We'd need to purchase a lot of certificates and trace them through the census, to be sure.

There were a lot of coal pits etc in Ayrshire over the centuries and quite a few around Ochiltree, (William Randolph Davidson's occupation on his marriage certificate). And people could have had different occupations at the same time.

I'm moving back in favour to this being the right family, but I'm not too sure...
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Re: DAVIDSON family - NEWBURGH 1893/KIRKCALDY FROM 1908
« Reply #75 on: Saturday 13 August 11 16:18 BST (UK) »
Hi Sheila and Chiad,

Well, in for a penny, in for a pound...

I've got William Davidson's Birth Certificate, for 14th November 1860, of 43 Carrick Street, son of William Davidson, Coachman and Barbra Hardy.

I was really hoping for the name William Randolf Davidson... no such luck!

So once again, where was William in 1891, and 1901?

I thought I'd check for William Randolph Davidson in the 1891 census, using William Davidson, born Ayr 1860 as search parameters.  I also checked for William (Unknown) born Ayr 1860. Still nothing.

All that I came up with was these records, not even close.

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So right name, rough birth year, born Ayrshire, in Stranraer, father's birth place, grandfather's occupation...
But with his parents in 1901, so not ours
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Okay its a huge stretch!
This "Ferguson" surname is close to the Jane Fergus that married Thomas Hardie, parents to Randolph Hardy.
This William's birth location is Cumnock...(William Davidson's mother Barbara Hardy's birth place)
Lanark is closer to Dunfermline than Ayr
Is Janet a sister to William? William did have a sister Jeanie, born 1864.  Checked SP marriages - for Andrew Walt and Davidson, nothing, Also William Randolph Davidson's son Alexander Wishart Davidson's marriage certificate gave his father's occupation as builder's labourer, same as above.

So thats it for the time being, here's some final thoughts and questions...

There are no Davidson (female) Carney (Male) marriages on SP, nor did she remarry using her maiden name. There are 2 Davidson (female) Cairney (Male) marriages on SP, but they took place after 1940. So did Mary Davidson nee Black just take Mr. Carney's surname for her children?

Did Mary Davidson nee Black leave her husband, or did William Randolph Davidson die?

Also, going back over the original postings, Sheila, the William Davidson of Ayr, you mention that you traced him but he'd married someone else. Then later, he's back in the frame. Can you post further details on this (eg. marriage/death for wife/or wrong person)?

Could get Barbra Davidson nee Hardy's Death Cert, but it wouldn't necessarily give us further info, unless the witness was William Randolph Davidson's signature

So the problem still remains, like Monica said, linking the marriage certificate to a birth certificate and finding the elusive death certificate.

Best wishes, Jimmijam
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Re: DAVIDSON family - NEWBURGH 1893/KIRKCALDY FROM 1908
« Reply #76 on: Tuesday 16 August 11 15:39 BST (UK) »
Hi

Thank you so much for taking an interest once again in 'Our Wullie' a most elusive man.

I have sent you a pm.

Sheila
Davidson, Black, Wishart: Fife, Shaw,Morton, McNeice, Gray: Antrim/Scotland
Aldred, Wright, Kirkman, Hurst,Byrom, Hart, Grimshaw,Openshaw. Wilkinson: Lancashire
Hughes: Mold/Wigan
Cubby, Williamson: Cumberland/Wigan

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Re: DAVIDSON family - NEWBURGH 1893/KIRKCALDY FROM 1908
« Reply #77 on: Monday 05 December 11 21:04 GMT (UK) »
Still looking  :D
Davidson, Black, Wishart: Fife, Shaw,Morton, McNeice, Gray: Antrim/Scotland
Aldred, Wright, Kirkman, Hurst,Byrom, Hart, Grimshaw,Openshaw. Wilkinson: Lancashire
Hughes: Mold/Wigan
Cubby, Williamson: Cumberland/Wigan

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Re: DAVIDSON family - NEWBURGH 1893/KIRKCALDY FROM 1908
« Reply #78 on: Saturday 31 December 11 20:26 GMT (UK) »
Happy New Year to one and all. 

Perhaps in 2012 we will find the missing pieces of the jigsaw.

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Davidson, Black, Wishart: Fife, Shaw,Morton, McNeice, Gray: Antrim/Scotland
Aldred, Wright, Kirkman, Hurst,Byrom, Hart, Grimshaw,Openshaw. Wilkinson: Lancashire
Hughes: Mold/Wigan
Cubby, Williamson: Cumberland/Wigan

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Re: DAVIDSON family - NEWBURGH 1893/KIRKCALDY FROM 1908
« Reply #79 on: Monday 07 May 12 22:26 BST (UK) »
Still looking!!
Davidson, Black, Wishart: Fife, Shaw,Morton, McNeice, Gray: Antrim/Scotland
Aldred, Wright, Kirkman, Hurst,Byrom, Hart, Grimshaw,Openshaw. Wilkinson: Lancashire
Hughes: Mold/Wigan
Cubby, Williamson: Cumberland/Wigan

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Re: DAVIDSON family - NEWBURGH 1893/KIRKCALDY FROM 1908
« Reply #80 on: Tuesday 01 January 13 16:15 GMT (UK) »
A Happy New Year to one and all.

Still looking for the missing piece!

Sheila
Davidson, Black, Wishart: Fife, Shaw,Morton, McNeice, Gray: Antrim/Scotland
Aldred, Wright, Kirkman, Hurst,Byrom, Hart, Grimshaw,Openshaw. Wilkinson: Lancashire
Hughes: Mold/Wigan
Cubby, Williamson: Cumberland/Wigan