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Re: New to Australian Research!
« Reply #27 on: Friday 02 May 08 13:11 BST (UK) »
Hi Janet!

I wasn't overburdened with great finds today, but I did get a few bits for you:

From Assisted immigration book 1848-1884
Ship: Cairngorm, arr Brisbane 2 Jul 1863
IMM/112 p:205 film:Z1957
McGavin Matthew age 55
Grace age 54
Eliza age 16
Ship Cairngorm from Liverpool via Greenock
Matthew said he was a labourer
(I thought this was not your family, but see Will below)

From Immigration cards
Ship details:
“Helenslee” sailed from Glasgow to Brisbane
all on board were “Scotch”
William Brown was commander/master
Arr 9 Aug 1862
On this list are just names – top of page is torn off
Robert McGavin
M?
Janet S
Mary R
Robert
John AS
Matthew
Jane
William
Margaret

Passenger list: (awful smudge through page – some words are unreadable but I think we can make an educated guess as to the names)
Cabin:
Robt McGavin 53 (age hard to read)
?                50 female
Janet S       26 female
?                 24 female
?                   ?
John AS      18
Matthew       7
Jane            16
William       13
Margt            8


I could not find any Thomson or Thompson immigrations that fit your family names – Adam is a distinctive name and I could not find him. Also checked David and tried to match up with the more common names like William, Jane, Robert etc (there were quite a few of them  :D). Perhaps they went elsewhere in Australia or maybe America? Or perhaps only some members of the family with common names came to Australia? There are dozens of Williams for example  :-\.

As Karen found Margaret’s date of death, I looked for her will, which I found. Karen couldn’t find a death for Robert – I double checked but found nothing either. Have narrowed his death down to between 9 Aug 1862 (date of arrival in Australia) and 23 May 1878 (date Margaret wrote her will – she was a widow then).

I looked for any McGavin wills to 1900 in the shiny new “all wills in all Queensland” book. There were only three:
McGavin Margaret (see below)
McGavin James (I looked twice on this film but, frustratingly, was unable to locate this will – if you’d like I can try again next time I go to the Archives)
McGavin Matthew (see below)

Margaret McGavin
Of Rockhampton
Will dated 1878
died 28 July 1886
late of the Rockhampton Agricultural Reserve.
Executors are sons John Adam Skelly McGavin and James McGovern, both graziers, both of the Agricultural Reserve in Rockhampton.
£150 to daughter Margaret McGavin “for her use alone free from any debts or control by a husband”. If Margaret marries her mother states that she wants this money “enjoyed and disposed” of by Margaret as “her sole and separate property, free from marital control or influence”. (Seems like there might be a story behind that  ;)).
She wants to exclude son Robert from all participation in real and person estate (another story  ;))
Unfortunately there is no death certificate included with the will. This may just be a co-incidence, but the second witness to this will is a Walter Thomson (clerk). Wonder if there is any connection to your Thomson family.

Matthew McGavin
Of Brisbane
Died 16 Dec 1874, North Shore Sydney
Was a Minister of the Presbyterian Church
Wife Grace, he left all household goods, furniture and effects and all real and personal estate.
He left Margaret G Bell (his wife’s niece) – bedroom furniture, piano and napery
He left Jane, daughter of his wife & wife of Daniel Clark of Brisbane) all silverware
He left Margaret, daur of wife & wife of James Matthew Banks(?) (I think – can’t read my own writing) of Sydney – mantle clock, and silver spoons marked with his wife’s name.
The rest of household goods, furniture and effects to be divided equally between his children: Robert, James, Matthew and Elizabeth

...more to follow ....


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Re: New to Australian Research!
« Reply #28 on: Friday 02 May 08 13:12 BST (UK) »
... a bit more ....

I also looked for wills for any McGavins in the Central District book which covers Rockhampton 1898-1936 and found these:

William Thomson McGavin
Formerly of Craignaught Morinish, but late of Emu Park Qld, grazier
Died at Yeppoon near Rockhampton on 8 Mar 1933
Executors: Robert McGavin Willoughby Marsh of Lovandee, Nth Rockhampton – grazier and Margaret Jessie Isabel Marsh of Emu Park, spinster.

Description of property:
Furniture £ 43-0-0
Money in Savings Bank £ 28-15-10
Interest in firm of McGavin Bros £ 5897-10-7
All real and personal estate to nephew Robert McGavin Willoughby Marsh and 2 nieces Margaret Jessie Isabel Marsh and Mary Henrietta Rose Marsh

Death Cert:
Died 8 Mar 1933 in the district hospital Yeppoon
Grazier, male 84 years
Died from senile decay
Father: Robert McGavin, grazier, mother: Margaret Skelly
Buried 9 Mar 1933 in Rockhampton Cemetery
Presbyterian
Born Glasgow
Been in Australia in Qld for 72 years
Not married/no children
On the back of the will was written that an explanation was required as to which is correct, Thomson which was on all documents, or Thompson which is how the name is spelled on the d/c.

Mary Reid Marsh
Widow, died intestate on 20 Apr 1899, late of Rockhampton
Son Francis Henry Montgomery Marsh, grazier, is administrator
Other children:
Margaret Jessie Isabel Marsh
Mary Henrietta Rose Marsh
Robert McGavin Willoughby Marsh
Also mentions John Adam Skelly McGavin of Craigsnaught and William Thomson McGavin
Death Cert:
Died 20 April 1899 lived Bolsover(?) St Rockhampton
Widow, age 59 years
Died of Influenza Sy…cope?
Father: Robert McGavin grazier, Mother: Margaret Skelly
Informant: John Murray, brother in law, Bolsover St Rocky
Buried Rocky ceme – Presbyterian
Born Glasgow, 37 years in Qld.
Children: Francis  … – 52 yrs
Margaret … 30/36 (couldn’t read number), spinster
Mary … 27, spinster
Robert … 25, station hand

… then I ran out of time...

I’ll let you digest all that. I don’t think there’s actually a great deal that is new to you. Have a think, get it all organized, see where the gaps are, and write me another list of lookups required  ;D.


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Re: New to Australian Research!
« Reply #29 on: Friday 02 May 08 13:27 BST (UK) »


Ruskie

That has answered at least one important question though............ Robert MCGAVIN did come out to Australia with the rest of his family.  So there has to be a death for him somehwere in the Indexes............ 


I am off to the Library again next week, so I will check between the two dates that you have given and I will see what comes up for a Robert, regardless of surname, with the right parents names ( if shown ).

I sent off all the transcriptions of the deaths and marriages from the Indexes to Janet today, so between us I hope that she now has a much more complete view of the extended family.  Finding Robert's death would be a huge bonus though.

When I get back to the Library I will do the births for her as well. 

I recommended that Janet contact the Central Queensland Historical Society ( and I am going to send her the address etc ) in case there is something in their Library that pertains to this family.  They seem to have been fairly well documented with their businesses etc, so with luck there will be something that helps out a bit more.

Great job by the way.  Many thanks for helping to add to the information bank on this lot..........  I can only hope that we have done some good with our searches


Have a great long weekend.......

Karenlee

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Re: New to Australian Research!
« Reply #30 on: Saturday 03 May 08 01:06 BST (UK) »
Hi Karen,

Yes, I'm sure Robert must have a will somewhere  :-\. His death is a bit of a puzzle, .... unless he died out west somewhere and they just buried him and didn't register the death  :o - or maybe he was murdered by son Robert and that is why Margaret excluded him from her will  ;D.

Just had a thought - as I couldn't find Robert's death, I didn't look for a will for him between 1862 and 1878. As there are so few wills in the Central Region books, I think it would be easy for me to check for a will between these dates, and I'll put it on my lookup list. McGavin is not a common name (and I haven't even found one MacGavin).
 
Good suggestion of yours for Janet to contact the Central Qld Historical Society. They seem to have been a fairly prominent family in the area so there might be something ...

See what you can find at the Library next week. I'll go to the Archives again maybe the week after next, to follow up on any of your finds if necessary, and to do any more  lookups for Janet.

Enjoy your weekend too Karen.


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Re: New to Australian Research!
« Reply #31 on: Saturday 03 May 08 22:15 BST (UK) »
Hi Karenlee and Ruskie,

Thank you so, so much for all the information you've gathered for me  :D :D - a complete stranger!!

I'm sorry I didn't see your replies earlier, please don't think I'm rude for not replying - but I had to take my 80 year old mother to see "Dancing on Ice" last night (oh joy of joys!) and have been out most of today at a competition with my horse.  We're (horse and I) out again tomorrow, then off to see relatives on Monday and have visitors on Tuesday - so it's going to be a few days before I get a chance to put together all the information you've found for me.  I was supposed to be clearing the dining room table (more commonly known as my family tree office) but fat chance of that now !!

Another really exciting development is that I've had a contact through Genes today - and she's related to ........... Robert McGavin!!!  Apparently he died in Sydney, Australia 30.3.1871 - so that'll be why there's no sign of him dying in Queensland  ::).  Maybe she'll be able to fill in some of the missing information  ;).

Must go and get ready for tomorrow, but thanks again for all your help.

Janet



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Re: New to Australian Research!
« Reply #32 on: Sunday 04 May 08 09:29 BST (UK) »
Hi Janet,

Well that IS good news that you've found Robert!

It sounds like you have a busy few days. Good luck with it all  ;).

I'll let you sort all your information out and wait till I hear from you again before I go to the Archives again. I'm in no rush, so take your time.

Hope your genes relative turns up some great information for you.

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Re: New to Australian Research!
« Reply #33 on: Sunday 04 May 08 09:30 BST (UK) »


Arrrgh.  Should have thought of NSW...... sometimes I wonder about myself.......


Oh well, so pleased that you finally found at least one of the Robert's that we are after.

Have fun sorting it all out, and get back to me when and if you need more stuff looked for at the Library.

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« Reply #34 on: Sunday 04 May 08 09:49 BST (UK) »
Karen, As they all arrived in Brisbane, lived and died around Rocky and Brisbane, it seems logical that Robert would have done the same. I wouldn't have thought to check other States.

I wonder why Robert was in Sydney? I'm thinking of your Thomson's Janet, and wonder if they arrived in Sydney as I couldn't find them arriving in Qld - the McGavin's and Thomsons may have kept up some kind of business together. That may explain Robert's Sydney visit?

Or maybe I'm letting my imagination run away with me  ;).

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« Reply #35 on: Wednesday 07 May 08 13:09 BST (UK) »
Hi Ruskie

Just to mention - you often don't find death certificates in wills pre 1890 - I gather around 1893+ they are usually part of probate, but before that not so.

Can I suggest sometimes it is better if all the information is given on a thread, rather than PM (unless it relates to living folks).  It is then possible for others to add any information they may have, especially if the search wanders into other states.

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