1861 census look up please

[Bryant]

Fizzybubble
Hopefully Lookuppers who have 1851/1861 census name index's will find who you are looking for!

If you don't find John Wade Thirlwall (senior) in 1861 ...
try looking for Bessie Morley aged abt 14 with or without parents Henry & Elizabeth for the same period
reason....John Wade (junior & musician) would have been abt 15, and Bessie (father an Artist) abt 14...would they have gone to an Art/Music School/College together? would it lead anywhere?

Worth a try if desperate
Best of luck
Bryant

[fizzybubble]

That is very good thinking - they had to be in the same community somewhere didnt they ?

Thanks for all your help.

Fizzy

[c1971]

In the 1871 census John Wade's grandson is listed as Frank Stuart.  Was he widowed Anni Maria Corri's son? or that of another daughter.

[c1971]

A bit more info.  Anni married Eugene Dussek Corri in 1962, he was a grandson of the impressario Dominico Corri

[c1971]

Corri died in 1870 and Anni is listed as widow in the 1871 census. 

[Bryant]

An old post it is, post holder being fizzybubble....

Is it still alive? is anything required?

some substance......
1871 census
Blackfriars Road, St George The Martyr, Southwark, London, Surrey
John W Thirlwall....Head.....61 widr...professor of music......Northumberland
Annie Maria Corri...Daur.....35 wid......vocalist.....................Hull,Yorkshire
Frank Stuart....Grandson....11.............scholar....................Lambeth, Surrey
Annie Maria Leng.. Niece....34 unm......vocalist.....................Hull, Yorkshire
Margaret Porter...Servant..60 mar.......gen servant...Aberwystwith, Cardigan, Wales
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Frank Thirwall Stewart born June qtr 1860 Lambeth R.D...vol 1d, page 238


Bryant

[chinapaddy]

A very old post.....the first John Wade Thirwall of Shilbottle married Maria Gleadow on 24 May 1828. Their children were Annie Maria b 1830, William b 1832, Eleanor Wade Thirwall b 1835 and Emily b 1838. That is him posted in the 1871 Census.

The other John Wade Thirwall may have been his nephew. In 'The Musical World' 24 June 1876 there is a long obituary. It says 'Among the mourners were his three daughters Annie, Ellen , Emily and nephew John Thirwall and Mrs John Thirwall'

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N2J4-3Q5

[chinapaddy]

Yep - that will be the ultimate solution. That is why I wanted to find these families in 1861.

thanks for your help

Fizzy

1861 Census
John Wade Thirwall of Shilbottle with a nephew named John Thirwall aged 16 (born circa 1845) . His age may or may not be correct. As Emily Thirwall is also here also aged 16 ( so b.1845) But, Emily Thirwall is on the 1841 census aged 3 (born 1838) 1841 Census https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MQK6-BL4  1861 Census https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q2MG-W999

[rodgepodge]

Emily Thirwall's age is mistranscribed. On the original record in 1861 Census her age is 23 and not 16