Surname intrests in The Lye area

[vcsanderson]

Hi Sue
I am new to all this too so I am not going to be of much use to you but its interesting that we are all trying to find out about the Pardoe family.  I belive Joseph Pardoe and Jane Brook did have 12 children but I don't have an Ann.  Arlen has helped me with most of my info - maybe Arlen can help you with this?  My link is with Richard Pardoe who was the one of the sons of Joseph and Jane.  He was born 04/03/1802. 
Good luck and best regards
Vanessa

[fred1951]

Hi Judy

No I don't think I have....sorry

[jandap]

Hi Sue

Vanessa suggested I might have more to add.  At this point I have to say that most of my information going back to the late 1700s and early 1800s has come from IGI records.  There are precious few other records to go by;  those that lived past 1841 are usually (but not always) to be found in census data.  To some extent with the Pardoes their family names are a clue, passed down through the family, but there are a lot of common names in different branches of the family, the usuals such as William, John, Joseph, James, Thomas, George, Samuel amongst the males and Jane, Ann, Elizabeth, Betty, Sarah amongst the women, to just mention a few.  I have a little verbal ancestral data but almost all these sources are no longer available.

I believe Joseph Pardoe 1758 and Jane Brook 1761 had 12 children with some names recycled for chidren that died young.  There were 2 Bettys, 2 Williams, John, George, Mary, Jenny, Joseph, Elizabeth, Thomas and Richard, born in the years between 1782 and 1804.

I have had a look about for your names.  You mention Jane Pardoe 1833 married to James Freeman- what is the source for this one?  The nearest Jane I can find was the daughter of John Pardoe 1802 and Jane Foxall 1801 and she was christened in April 1834.  Is this she?

I see where you come from with Ann, christened 27 April 1777.  Jane would have been abouit 16 then and they were not married until 4 years later; I dismissed this for that reason.  Equally there was a Joseph Pardoe born 29 May 1814 but Jane would have been 53 by now and, though not impossible, I made the decision he was not in this family either.  It could well be that they are both in the same family and Jane bore 14 children.  Equally there could be two Joseph Pardoes and Janes and there could be two famililies which I have mixed!  Eventually, with nothing more to go on, who knows?

I do not know if this is any help.  It would be interesting to follow your thoughts on all this.

Regards

Arlen

[sue.g]

Hi Arlen

Thanks for sharing your thoughts with me.

So far, I too have got all my info from the IGI and Anne( b 1777) is on there with parents named as Joseph and Jane but, as there were so many others with these names and bearing in mind the marriage date and Jane's age, I can see why Anne may not fit.

I think that I will try to get up to the record office in the summer( I live in Kent) to see whether there is any more info available that may shed some light on this.

Thanks again for your help

Best wises
Sue

 PS Thanks to Vanessa for her reply too

[linell]

Hi all, just catching up on all the Pardoe research.  Sue your Anne, how do you know she was born 1777 is she on the 1841 Census?  She could be Mary Ann, I find that the name 'Ann' can be all sorts, not easy to confirm exactly what names they were baptised with.  Regarding your research, all the Old Swinford Baps and Marriages are on the IGI, you may need to search the Non Conformist Register, Lye and the Black Country was a hot spot for Non Conformists, there were Chapels of one denomination or another on every street corner!  Have written out a list of Pardoes from the Old Swinford Poor Law and Settlement Documents 1651 - 1791, there may be something here to aid our search?

Sarah Pardoe entry 124 recorded 1761 Removed from Old Swinford to Ambelcote.  Widow of Joseph with four children Elizabeth 1746, Martha 1748, Joseph 1752, Thomas 1756, found begging in Newington Surrey.

Richare Pardoe Nailer entry 161 recorded 1770 from St Chad Shrewsbury with Ann (late Griffiths) Widow and son George born 1765.

Joseph Pardoe entry 183 recorded 1773, Vagabond from Whistons Worcs to Old Swinford.

Joseph Pardoe entry 135 recorded 1773 Vagabond born at Old Swinford son of Wm Pardoe Baker removal order.

Thomas Pardoe entry 143 recorded 1780 Nailer born Old Swinford 1734 son of Joseph Pardoe, husband of Ann whom he Married at Upper Arley in 1764, and father of Hannah born 1765, Sarah born 1768, Elizabeth born 1771, Mary born 1776, Thomas born 1780.

Ann Pardoe born out of wedlock 1764 to Mary Pardoe removed from Old Swinford to Stourbridge entry 168 recorded in 1771.

John Pardoe Taylor (Tailor) born at Clent entry 93 recorded 1768 son of Thomas Pardoe of Clent, husband of Mary and father of boy born 1764 and two girls born 1762 and 1766, apprenticed to Wm Perry Taylor of Clent.

[01Ivan]

I have a SARAH ANN GADD marr JAMES KITSON 10 Nov. 1849 St. Marys Oldswinford,  any connection.

Is anyone out there looking at Gadd, Southall or Liveter?

[lucin]

looking for any information on the surname Hill  - residing at Boucher, The Lye  1881  - 10 family members,  anyone know what Boucher was, cannot find any other records,  thanks

[vhdl15464]

Re Boucher, The Lye.

Is this Bouchall, Stambermill which is between Stourbridge and the Lye? Also shown on a marriage cert as Bowshell!

Velda

[lucin]

Velda  The address on the extract from the 1881 census gives the address as Boucher, The Lye but that may be a mistake. Is Bouchall an actual place ?   Trev