My ABBAY/ABBEY family went to Russia c.1838 !!

[Tarquille]

Fel, I have received your private message but can't reply until I have posted three times (strange rule). So here is my second post just to let you know how happy I am to be in touch! Yes I am who you guessed I am!

[Tarquille]

I have posted two lovely photos of Alfred Shepherd Abbey and Margaret Hannah Ritson on my family tree at the link I posted earlier for anyone who may be interested.

That makes three posts!

[Tarquille]

My cousin is supplying me with lots of Abbey photos. I'm gradually getting them all up onto my Family Tree site if anyone is interested!

[Tarquille]

Hello tiggertwo 

I haven't come across the names you mention but as I haven't been able to find anything much on a couple of Matthew's sons it's possible that your family may be descended from one of them.

Matthew's sons:

George  b.1816 Burstwick, married Alice Jordan in 1838 Patrington, then disappears

William  b.1819 Burstwick, married Eleanor Lee in 1851 St. Petersburg, one child found -Mary b.1861 St. Petersburg

A great nephew of my Matthew also seems to have gone to Russia -

George Fairbank Abbey  b.1841 Burstwick married Sophie Ehren 1862 St. Petersburg

any of these names mean anything to you?

Myfi

I can confirm William and Eleanor Lee (though they had more children) But can't find anything on this marriage between George and Alice. Are there sources that I can access?

[Tarquille]

Hello Mocca,
Thanks for your responce. William b.1855 was educated in St.P. He took over managing the Estates of a Russian Duke, from William b.1819. He married and had a daughter May Abbey (Mabel Gertrude Irene) b.1900. At one time they lived in Vetoshkino. She was in Swizterland about 1912.
William b.1855 may have married a second time to a Russian, Tanta Anna
William b.1855 went to S.Africa,  May had a daughter there, Peggy who married T. Mclean.
Was your Ggrandmother Lily the one who went Finland?

 Regards,  Fel

Any chance of some reliable sources for this info? I looked into Mabel Gertrude Irene and she seems to be the daughter of a William Abbey from 1879 with comletely different parents... Admittedly this is not official documented source material but it did put me on alert.

[Tarquille]

Hi Mocca,

I have Matthew's father as William b.1752,m.1776 to Hannah Wright b. 1755, this William's father as William b.1709 d.1793, m. Elizabeth Miller b.1715 d.1790.

I don't think the William b. 1733 fits in the age group, as I think William's b.1709 first child was Robert b.1745

Kind regards,
Fel

I have dropped the Hannah Wright theory in favour of Mary Hawcroft. Do you think I've picked up on a false lead?

[Tarquille]

I'd like to join in this fascinating chat!  I've been researching the Abbey family and the  Russian connection.  My research has mostly been based on Alexander Walter Abbey, a mining engineer who was murdered in Spain.  There seem to be some common links with what you have all found, but here's my contribution, for comment etc.  By the way, I looked on the OShea site, but found it very complicated.
Here's a bit more on the family.

I found a line back to a Mary Abbey, born in 1801.  I can't find a spouse for her, but she had six children: Thomas 1828; John Henry 1830; Elizabeth 1834; Mary Ann 1836; Robert 1838 and Francis 1841.

All were born in Lockwood, Yorkshire with the exception of John Henry who was born in Selby.

 He went to Russia! 

He married - I'm not sure who - and had two sons: John William 1850 and Walter 1852.  Both were born in Russia.

John William: again, I'm not sure who he married, but his five children were born in Russia. George 1888; Edward 1889; Elsie Emma 1890; Lucy Alice ?; Alexander Walter 1892 and Alfred Henry 1895.

It's interesting that they were all back in England in 1911. 

More details on George:

George and Elizabeth went to Rhodesia and then to South Africa. They had two sons,  Edward John Abbey 1917-1993 and Desmond 1920-1955.
Edward John had two children who are still living -Lynne Abbey and John Scotson Abbey, but I haven't any more on them at the moment.



Edward is a bit of a mystery (another one).  He died in Brooklyn, New York.  I can't find him anywhere, with the correct roots. The only Edward that keeps cropping up is a ship's steward sailing between Europe, South and North America and a variety of ships over the years.

Elsie Emma died in Sutton Coldfield in 1961, Lucy Alice in Maryland in 1976 and Alfred Henry in Exeter in 1971.

I hope that this will be interesting!

The John William in bold, with those children, is the son of William Abbey and Eleanor Lee according to my records.

[sre]

Hi Tarquille

Welcome to Rootschat

I will try and answer your questions of yesterday

The post from Myfi which says that George Abbey married Alice Jordan 1838 Patrington – there is an entry on Freebmd for this – Jun qtr 1838 Patrington, vol 23, page 95 so this is probably what she was quoting.

Mabel Gertrude Irene – can’t comment but I have her as the daughter of William b1855 as Fel has.

I have written confirmation from the Borthwick Institute that William bc 1744 married Mary Howcroft bc 1747 on 28.3.1769 at Brayton – pm me with your email address if you would like a copy.

Cannot comment of adrianjohn’s post as my Abbey’s stayed in England when Matthew and Mercy went to Russia so I’m a bit sketchy on that side.

Regards
sre

[tiggertwo]

Hi Tarquille

I can answer a few of your questions.  adrianjohn is not an Abbey but has done a fair amount of research on them because Alexander Walter Abbey crossed with a project he was doing on the war.  I have had a lot of personal contact with him and it is through him that I am in contact with Carmen, Alexander's daughter.  When I contact the rest iof the family with your address, I will add him too.

His notes on my family are not accurate but were amended by private email.  That's one of the reasons why I it is a bad idea as people get cut out if the loop and mistakes are not corrected.

All the family were not back in England in 1911 as my father wasn't born until 1917 and I have a passenger list for a refugee ship carrying several members of the family.

Edward was in the Merchant Navy and can be traced through the Ellis Island web site going back and forth.

Tiggertwo