My ABBAY/ABBEY family went to Russia c.1838 !!

[Jansie]

To Tiggertwo,

Your story about the first mechanical plough is probably correct. I found Matthew winning 1 guinea in a ploughing match. He was the ploughman for William Stickney of Ridgmont Burstwick and probably went to Russia on his behalf. The paper was the Hull Packet of 1819 not 1809 as I said before.

Jansie

[tiggertwo]

Hi Seamike:
On page 2 of this topic you wrote about Vasiliy Matveev Abbey and the Johnson Reaping Machine.
Two queries:  does Vasiliy translate as Basil and secondly do you think that perhaps he was just trying to sell the machine to two farmers from that area, rather than living there himself?

Things to be on the move again.

Best wishes.

tiggertwo

[seamike]

Hi Tiggertwo,

yes, Basil is Vasiliy in Russian.

he, Vasiliy Abbey was one of the "two farmers of Sapozhkovskiy region of Ryazan province" who reviewed the Johnston reaping machine. So, he had an estate in Sapozhkovskiy region.

I have contacted historians from this area (Sapozhkovskiy region) 4 years ago, when you started this search, but they had nothing at that time on Abbey. Will send them remainder again.

Cheers
Mike

[tiggertwo]

Thanks seamike.  Read a very interesting article about Count Pashkov, which prompted the question.  it was a University if Pretoria thesis.  If you'd like to read it, let me know and I'll give you the reference. 

Question for fel and myfi, which line are you both descended from?

tiggertwo

[Fel]

Hi Tigger Two,

Matthew b.1785, William b.1819, Alfred Shepherd b. 1863 and Alfred Algernon b.1900.

Hope this helps and that you are well.

Regards Fel.

[tiggertwo]

Hi Fel:

My line is the same Matthew and William.  Where do you fit into it?


Regards.

Lynne aka tiggertwo

[Fel]

Hi TiggerTwo,

Alfred Shepherd Abbey b.1863 in Russia, had  brothers-Matthew Lee. John, Walter,William and two sisters- Lily and Mary Elizabeth

Alfred Shepherd had a son Alfred Algernon b.1900 in Russia,whose twin brother Arthur died at 10 months. and four daughters-Margaret, Eleanor, Gertrude Lee and Evelyn.

Alfred Algernon, who married Mary Elizabeth Rowley in 1929, Lived in Wylde Green, had a daughter Mary Elizabeth, and two sons, Alfred Rowley and Robert William who has lived in Canada for some years. Does this answer?  Can I help further!!   Regards Fel.

[tiggertwo]

Perfect, thanks Fel.  My GGGrandfather was Alfred Shepherds brother, John William.

I note you have Matthew Lee but I have him as Matthew Edwin and Lily Louisa.  Did Walter or Wiliiam have second names?   It does make searching a lot easier.

Do you have any info on their Grandparents.  I know their parentage.

Still not sure where exactly you fit in. 

Lynne

[Fel]

Hi Tiggertwo,
I have Matthew Lee m. Margaret ?  She was a Scot, and they had a son Edwin.
Don't know second names.
Matthew, John, Walter etc Grandfather was Matthew b. 1785 m. Mercy Smart also b. 1785 in1806. He d.1851 in Volvovo Russia, of course. He was a farmer in Selby. Sometime in the 1840s he was asked by the Tsar (connection not known) to advise on the irrigation of St. Petersburg. Took his son William with him. William m. Eleanor Lee in 1851 in St. P.

Regards, Fel (Rowley)!