My ABBAY/ABBEY family went to Russia c.1838 !!

[hessu]

Dear Fel and Tiggertwo

Lily had two daughters Eleanor and Alice.
Eleanor had two daughters Zoe (born 1901 and called Boullie or Bully) and  Tania (born 1903). Tony (Anthony) is Tania's son.

Zoe was my grandmother.

About Abbey history.
First time I ever received information of connection to France and to huguenots was a biography of Edwin Austen Abbey to which Mocca refers in the message 24th of August 2010.
There was explained that being huguenots they found a refuge in England during the massacres.

Does anyone have any information of Alfred Abbey?
He had a son called Jim. Alfred collected stamps. He visited Finland a few times.

regards to all
hessu

[Fel]

Hessu,
I have an Alfred b 1863 in Russia, I have seen a stamp collection. But he did not have a son Jim, his son was Alfred b.1900, also in Russia.  I have more info on both Alfreds.

I have seen a letter signed Tania to Alfred .1863, it does not give any info for family tree.  He wanted to visit Finland in 1938 but Thomas Cooke would not deal with it due to the state of things then. 

Regards,
Fel

[Fel]

Hi Mocca,

Sometime back you were interested in the Pollocks I think.  Tom Pollock was Chairman of Accles & Pollock which later became Tube Investments.  The William who was mentioned was one of his three sons.  Tom Pollock lived at Park Vale House which had a cottage in its grounds, Walter Abbey b.1865 lived there with his Wife Lucy until they died. I know a little more if itis of interest!

Regards,
Fel

[hessu]

Dear Fel,

Your Alfred is the one I have been looking for. He really visited Finland a couple of times during 30's second time either 1938 or as late as 1939 and yet once after the WWII late 40's. He would have liked to take my mother with him to England, but Zoe (Bully) didn't allow that.
Alfred is one of William and Eleanor (born Lee) Abbey's sons and many children. There is a photograph of Eleanor Lee in a rocking chair sent by tiggertwo in these family pages.
My mother had understood that Alfred had a colourblind son Jim ?   
I come from the line of Lily (Alfred's b. 1863 sister).
Regards
hessu

[Fel]

Hello Hessu,
Alfred b.1863 had six children, he was the one that was colourblind.
Eleanor b.1896 in Russia d.1963 m. P Lawson
Gertrude Lee b.1899 ijn Russia d.1980 m. E Billington, they went to Canada
Alfred b.1900 in Russia d.1947 m. Mary (Mollie) Rowley
Arthur twin d. at 10 months
Evelyn b.1901 in Bolton UK d.1983 m. James (Jim) Atkinson
More info if you need it.  If you let me have your email I could send letter of Tania's to
to Alfred b.1863 dated 20. 2. 1950.

Regards.  Fel.

[mocca]

Hello everyone,
Have been away on holiday so just catching up.
Tiggertwo- I'm sure we are talking about the same Elsie Abbey - when I knew her she was in Sutton Coldfield but given that she worked as a companion she probably moved around quite a bit.

To return to Edwin Austen Abbey and the Huguenots - family legend has it that he belongs to the family. He was an American by birth but came over to this country at the end of the 19th century . He must have been quite well known at the time because he was asked to paint the Coronation picture of
Edward VII and there is a plaque to him in St Paul's Cathedral.
Apparently , there was a belief in his family that their name was originally Abbaye and they were descended from Huguenot
emigres who came to America via Yorkshire. His great great grandfather was Samuel Abbey born in US in 1755 or 60. Has anyone managed to get the family tree back as far as that?

Does anyone know anything about a lady known as 'Baby' who was living in the San Francisco area in the 1970's ?

Regards
Mocca

[tiggertwo]

Just going out so very quick reply. 

Hessu, is colour blindness genetic?  Both my father and his brother were colour blind as well.

Mocca, if you look at the formal family portrait of my family in Russia, Elsie is the rather plain dark haired older girl.  Haven't got the photo handy so can't pinpoint her but if I remember rightly she is on the left of the pic.  Does she bear any resemblance to the Elsie you knew?

It's a glorious sunny day here at last.  Hope you're all having a good day too.

Tiggertoo

[Fel]

Hello Tiggertwo,

Besides Alfred b.1863, one of his great nephews was partly colour blind. Alfred's was total.

Reading back to 4. 2. 10. You mentioned Sutton Coldfield and Aston, I knew these areas well, and am curious!

Regards,
Fel

[tiggertwo]

Hi Fel: 
I believe all the male members of my family e.g. my grandfather and his brothers, were sent from Russia to school at  Bishop Vesey in Sutton Coldfield.  My great aunt Elsie and my great uncle Alfred (also possibly a great uncle Arthur),  also lived in that area after they returned from Russia, as did Mary nee Pollock (their aunt).  I think the females were all privately tutored in Russia.

My grand parents (George Abbey & Eliza Helen Scotson) were married in Aston in 1913 and then returned to Russia, where my father was born in 1917.

Any help.

Tiggertoo