My ABBAY/ABBEY family went to Russia c.1838 !!

[Fel]

Hello Myfi,
Thanks for the contact. I have a letter written by Matthew Lee Abbey b.about 1840, which says 'Grandfather Matthew Abbey was 66 when he died and was buried at Volvoro'
My line is - GGrandfather William Abbay b.1819. Grandfather was Alfred Shepherd Abbey b.1863.
Try me with any questions!

Regards,  Fel

[Myfi!]

Hi Fel

Thanks for that,  do you have a date for the letter?

re your grandfather Alfred.... is he the one married to Margaret Ritson and aged 27 living in Bolton on the 1891 census with his soon to be in-laws ?

Am having a bit of difficulty with a William bc 1868 who appears on the Refugee list of the Tagus in 1920

Hi Tiggertwo 

Just checked that message I sent you-

It was a reference to UK incoming passengers 3 May 1920 HMT "Tagus" list of Russian refugees which included these Abbey folk:

Alfred ABBEY age 56
E. ABBEY (female) not sure if it says 34 or 74 (bit blurry)
William ABBEY age 52
Mrs W. ABBEY age 54
Walter ABBEY age 52
Anna ABBEY  age 55

Myfi

any thoughts would be welcome

Myfi

[Fel]

Hello Myfi,
The letter was d/d 30 Oct 1905, his info came from 'the church books in St. Pet'.
The passenger list is a problem.  Alfred Abbey age 56 is correct
 E Abbey would have been his eldest dauaghter, Eleanor, who did stay with him, she was 24.
I having a think about the others! come back to you soon.
Yes he did marry Margaret Hannah Ritson in 1893, in Bolton, he served apprenteship in engineering and worked there before returning to Russia.

regards, Fel

[tiggertwo]

Hello All:

Regarding the passenger list. I think the E Abbey may be Elsie Abbey aged 34 (my grandfather George's youngest sister) and I think that Walter, William and Alfred were my grandfathers uncles, as this Alfred is too old to be his brother.

Hessu is the one who really seems to know all these intricacies, made worse by the fact that each generation used the same christian names.

Fel, please can you post a copy of the letter you have, on this site.

Thanks.

Tigger two

[Fel]

Hello Tiggertwo,
Re passenger list, the age for Alfred is correct. Mrs W Abbey could have been Walter's Wife, he had married Russian named Lucy (very charming).  There is a thought that William married a second time to a Russian named Tanta Anna.
Any help or does it add to the confusion.
John could not travel with them, he escaped travelling eastwards, my Aunt wrote "I think he even touched Japan".
Matthews letters are not suitable for posting. I will type out the parts that are of interest.
 Regards Fel

[Myfi!]

Hello Fel

Will send you a personal message with my email address, although it will be better to keep most of our communications on this board so that the others can see it.

Myfi

[Fel]

Tigger two,
Matthews letter--St. Petersb. Oct.30. 05.
Dear Mary
From the church books in St Pet. I can only gather that Grandfather, Matthew Abbey,was 66 when he died  and was buried at Volvoro, his wife's name was Mercy, that is father's mother.
Enquiring after father's line, that was how we got to know that formerly the name was Abba. Father said write to Hull. If you go to Hull ask in the parishes of Beverly, Hambleton or Selby.
Grandfather Matthew was born in 1785, father was born nr. Hull 16 6 1819.
Another letter to follow.  Fel  

[Fel]

Hi Tigger two,
Rest of the letter -- 1819 June 16th, son of M.Abbey (born in 1785) and Macey (born Small?) so we think.      SHOULD BE MERCY SMART
M. Abbey son of William must have been christened in the parish church.

I have another of his letters which I will deal with latter.

Regards
  Fel

[mocca]

Hi Everyone

Just a few bits of information stimulated by some of the recent posts.
My ggrandmother's (Lily) family had a property in a place called Kukkola which was on the Finnish side of the Russian border, so they were able to stay there after the Revolution. Eleanor Abbey lived with them and was buried there after her death in 1916. Kukkola is now known as Repino after the Russian painter Repin and is now in Russia.
I was very interested in Fel's mention of the church books in St P. I haven't got much in the way of documentation but it is all from the British and American Chapel in St P which ,I think, was Nonconformist. There was also another church, known as the English Church , which ,I think ,was Anglican.
Just a little bit about Elsie Abbey - after escaping from Russia , she worked in Paris as companion to the wife of a Russian emigre and was interned during the war. She returned to the UK afterwards and I knew her before she died in the fifties.         

Hope this is of some interest.
Regards
Mocca