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Re: The Mystery associated with Lancelot (Capability) Brown
« Reply #36 on: Tuesday 06 May 08 17:44 BST (UK) »
As mentioned above, after much searching I eventually found a copy of the Gentleman’s Magazine of Jan 1830, Page 89 of which contains the Obituary [ie, memoir (sic)] for the Rev Thomas Brown :
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Rev Thomas Brown
Dec 20    At Conington Campbridgeshire, aged 68, the Rev. Thomas Brown, Rector of that parish for more than 40 years; and a Magistrate for the counties of Cambridge and Hunts.  Mr. Brown was third youngest son of Lancelot Brown, esq. Head Gardener to his late Majesty at Hampton Court, who was celebrated in the last century (under the better appelation of Capability Brown) for his skill and taste in laying out parks and ornamental gardening, by which he acquired a large estate of his own, which passed to the subject of the memoir, after his two elder brothers had enjoyed it in succession, and had died without issue viz. Lancelot, a Barrister, and sometime M.P. for Huntingdon; and John, an Admiral of the Royal Navy.  The late Mr. Brown was of St. John's-college, Cambridge, B.A. 1784, M.A. 1787; and was presented to the Rectory of Conington in 1789 by the Hon. Dr. Yorke, then Bishop of Ely.  He married early in life, Susan, daughter of Mr. Dickins, Rector of Hemingford Gray, near Huntingdon; and by her, who survives him, he has left two sons, Lancelot, Rector of Kelsale in Suffolk, who succeeds to his estate; and Thomas-Charles, Curate of Somersham, in the Isle of Ely, a living attached to the Regius Professorship of Divinity in the University of Cambridge; and one daughter Susan.
The remains of Mr. Brown were deposited by those of his father, under the monument in the chancel of Fenstanton.  His character was that of an excellent parish priest; and he will be sincerely lamented by the poor of his neighbourhood, to whose wants, both spiritual and temporal, he never failed to administer.  In his family he was warmly beloved; and the open-hearted sincerity of his friendship can be attested by the writer of this; who experienced it for half a century.
            "Chave, vale!  at tecum, sim modo dignus, ero."

As luck would have it, shortly after finding the above, I made contact with a person in England who owns a copy of “The Register’s of Thorington”, Pp 11 and 12 of which apparently contains this above entry verbatim, except that the following was added in italics after “John, an Admiral of the Royal Navy” –
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[On the 9th Inst. Died at bath the Rev. George Brown, late of Pucklechurch, Gloucester, and of Sydney College, Cambridge, son of the late Lancelot Brown Esq., M.P. for Huntingdon.-Ipswich Journal, July 24 1819.]

[ I can’t imagine any © concerns after referring to Article 7 (1) of the Berne Convention for the Protection of Literary and Artistic Works, http://www.wipo.int/treaties/en/ip/berne/trtdocs_wo001.html - Similar provisions also most definitely apply in Australia, and USA ]

Although of no direct interest to him, it was the above contact who so kindly made enquiries for me re George’ education, and subsequently re his Baptism in Buckden – for which he has received confirmation there is no record, under Brown or Hall.  Also obtaining the actual Ipswich Journal entry.

I have Capability’s youngest son the Rev Thomas born 1761, married Susannah Dickens 22 Jan 1785, died 20 Dec 1829, daughter Susannah, elder son Lancelot Robert b 1786, m Anna Maria Sparrow (Bence) 17 Mar 1809, d 11 Feb 1868 (with 4 daughters, 2 died in infancy, but all well documented), and younger son Thomas Charles b c1791 m Frances (Fanny) Page 17 Sep 1825 (probably), d 2 Jul 1868 (had 3 children mentioned earlier).  [Anna Maria's father was Bence Bence, ne Sparrow, one who changed his surname.  Susannah, unmarried of Stamford Lincolnshire was left £1,000 by the 1841 Will of her cousin Amelia, spinster daughter of Capability's sister-in-Law Elizabeth and her husband Dr Benjamin Cooke.]

I have been researching Capability’s family for some years, and have most of his descendants down to at least the mid early 1800s, and then some, but it is of no personal benefit to proceed further.  It is impossible to reference everything here, but a couple which may be of interest include :

http://books.google.com.au/books?pg=PA521&dq=%22lancelot+robert+brown%22&id=UA4EAAAAQAAJ&output=html

http://books.google.com.au/books?id=SLYRAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA522&dq=%22rev+george+brown%22+bath

JOH.
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Tait     -   Maybole 1858

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Re: The Mystery associated with Lancelot (Capability) Brown
« Reply #37 on: Friday 06 June 08 11:14 BST (UK) »
Goodmorning
If you have put together a tree have you any info on the Rust side of the family
ie who was Mary Rust and what relation to Lancelot was she
Lancelot's daughter Margaret Brown marries James Rust and they move to Alconbury where they build the House  and their son George inherits it and then his son but it was sold on his death in 1922  the Americans then use it in the war as it is by the Alconbury American airfield.
Do you know more about the rift in the family that My Great Uncle talked of.
I would love to here from you or anybody else that has info on the subject
regards mavis
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Rust Essex/Huntingdon/cambridge
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Scrace/Kent
Kirsop/Kent/Durham

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Re: The Mystery associated with Lancelot (Capability) Brown
« Reply #38 on: Thursday 12 June 08 17:40 BST (UK) »
Good morning, Mavis.   We have been away for an extended Queen's Birthday holiday long weekend, which we are told is not celebrated in all Countries.  (It is historical that we celebrate the Birthday of the current sovereign at this time of year.)

James Rust married Margaret Brown (ie, Peggy, daughter of Lancelot/Capability) 29 Sep 1788.  They appear to have had at least the following children:  Mary (presumably the eldest) still alive 1852, Frances baptised 26 Jun 1793 sa 1827, George ba 21 Oct 1795 sa 1866, and James and Elizabeth both ba 29 Oct 1799, this James sa 1827.

In his Will James the father named his son George as his Executor, and made provision of £10,000 for his daughter Frances Rust, and £20,000 to his son James.

My great grandfather Robert was born in the early 18 twenties, or late 18 teens, give or take, so generally I have not researched the extended family very much past the 1820s.  I regret I have no knowledge of a rift in the Rust family except by extrapolation ie, putting 2 and 2 together, but you seem to have confirmed the suspicion, if this is the rift that Your Great Uncle talked of.

I also would be very interested to hear from anyone who has any info on the subject.

JOH.
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Re: The Mystery associated with Lancelot (Capability) Brown
« Reply #39 on: Thursday 12 June 08 18:22 BST (UK) »
An Update:-

In her Will, Lancelot Robert Brown's widow Anna Maria Brown named their 3 daughters as her beneficiaries.  Her Effects under £10,000.

Lancelot Robert's 1863 Will was similar, including his Wife, plus £1,000 to his Godson Lancelot Charles Brown, and an annuity to his sister Susannah Brown.  So Susan was still alive and presumably unmarried.  What was unexpected was an 1867 Codicil to the effect he had lent his brother Thomas Charles Brown divers sums amounting with interest to about £907 for the benefit of Lancelot Charles Brown, and that the legacy of £1,000 was to be held by the Executors as security until the £907 etc be well and truly paid.  Effects under £9,000 including Leaseholds.

Thomas Charles Brown left everything to his dear wife Fanny Brown, his Effects under £450, and Fanny, otherwise Frances, left everything to their son Lancelot Charles Brown.  Her Effects under £1,000.

JOH.

As an aside, Thomas Charles Brown seems to have been about 34 when he married Frances Page, about 23.  One could perhaps speculate if he had had a previous marriage.
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Re: The Mystery associated with Lancelot (Capability) Brown
« Reply #40 on: Sunday 15 June 08 19:31 BST (UK) »
Well we have had a great time away and we went to Cambridge records first but they didn't have to much in fact no weddings births or deaths of Rust existed so they cant say where the family came from and then to Build Alconbury Hall

 At Huntingdon the same man was there as he was relief duty for that day and so we got out so many books
I found James Rust b 19th august 1798 with his sister Elizabeth b 12th august 1799 both baptized 9th Oct 1799
they had a whole page to themselves not a line and so the man agreed with me they are high ranking
all signed by rob heworth the curate
the parents were James and Margaret (Brown) Rust and they were all from Gransden
Huntingdonshire

I found it very Frustrating that we couldn't find all the 6 children christenings in the Church Record Book and they have not as yet been typed up

We now have Elizabeth/ George (he dies 1876) and his only son George inherits the house/ James he dies 1875/Sarah/William/Frances (she dies 1872)
If anyone else can come up with more info I would be greatfull


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Re: The Mystery associated with Lancelot (Capability) Brown
« Reply #41 on: Thursday 10 July 08 14:19 BST (UK) »
Hi all,

I am not getting into a lot of the previous discussions re. mysteries re. Lancelot Brown, but just to inform you that an article on Lancelot Brown, his association with Fenstanton, Huntingdonshire and his descendants who lived in our county is to be published in the November issue of "The Huntsman", the journal of The Huntingdonshire Family History Society - see www.huntsfhs.org.uk
This is to coincide with the publication by us of the parish registers 1604 - 1920 on a CD, which should be out soon (if I was not typing this message I would be indexing the last few burials!). We already have the MIs available & these will be combined with the registers on one disc + photographs of the church/ village.

Mike Stephenson (Huntingdonshire F.H.S.)

P.S. Has anyone the burial date/ place (Pimlico)  for the Rev. Thomas Charles Brown?   

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Lancelot (Capability) Brown
« Reply #42 on: Wednesday 01 October 08 19:53 BST (UK) »
It is interesting reading everyone's correspondence here. My husband's family has said that they think he is one of their ancestors. I've been tracing my husband's tree for him, but have only just got back to 1778. It doesn't help not knowing if he was a direct ancestor or a brother of one of theirs. Looks like I've got a bit of trawling to do!

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Re: The Mystery associated with Lancelot (Capability) Brown
« Reply #43 on: Thursday 02 October 08 08:28 BST (UK) »
Just to let all persons interested in Capability Brown that the article on him in Fenstanton and his descendants in Huntingdonshire will be in the November issue of "The Huntsman". I was able to negotiate a good price for reproducing the Dance portrait of him from the National Portrait Gallery & it will be on the cover.

The Fenstanton parish register transcript has been extended to 1990 & this too should be available on CD in November - see the Huntingdonshire Family History Society website if you wish to order it.

Best wishes,

Mike Stephenson

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Re: The Mystery associated with Lancelot (Capability) Brown
« Reply #44 on: Sunday 12 October 08 22:17 BST (UK) »
Hello

I've been intrigued by your message re the Rev. George Brown and Pucklechurch. I live there and I've been collecting information about local residents from a historical perspective ( I am actually a professional archaeologist rather than a historian) - I'd love to include something on this in our local parish newsletter - can you tell me more about his link with Capability?

Many thanks

Gail