William Williams' in Wales...Is he a lost cause?

[alllegs]

Ok,

I'm confused again now....

The James married to Rachel on the 1901 states his place of birth was Coal-brook-dale, Monmouth....

Does this make him different to the James in Nantyglo you guys found in 1871?

The James lodging with Rachel in 1891 states his place of birth was Nantyglo. 

ARGH!!!

Legs
xxxx

PS just realised that Nantyglo is in Monmouth too, so perhaps Nantyglo and Coal-brook-dale are close by?

Off to Physio now for some light relief! 

[Nutty1966]

Hi Legs

I see we back to the dreaded WW god love him, good luck hun, you will get him in the end I bet

Jane

[alllegs]

Lol!

Fingers crossed!  Have eventually fond MW's birth, ordered the cert this morning!  YAY!!!  Hows Priscilla? 

xxxxxx

[osprey]

Nantyglo came under the parish of Aberystruth in Monmouthshire.  Monmouth is the county town.  There's a Coalbrookdale in Shropshire, I think. But Nantyglo means coal river valley/coal brook, so probably just a translation rather than refering to the place in Shropshire.

  http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~familyalbum/kstrubla.htm

http://people.brunel.ac.uk/~simon/blaina/whereis.html

As to proving it's the same William, I think you might need to go sideways and look at the marriage registrations of his siblings to see what their father's occupation is and look for names of witnesses. Getting copies of the original certs from local register offices might help as then you can compare signatures. If you follow this Williams family you might find a link. I haven't spotted another likely William Williams from Monmouthshire in Yorkshire in 1891 or 1901 as yet. There are 2 in Sheffield, both from Ebbw Vale but both are blacksmiths.

What happened to the daughters? Did they go to live with one of William's siblings?

[Cas (stallc)]

There is a possible Coalbrookvale....

http://www.genuki.org.uk/cgi-bin/places?MON,SO190090,5,Coalbrookvale

The following places have not yet had a GENUKI page associated with them:

SO190090 Coalbrookvale , Breconshire
SO190090 Coalbrookvale , Monmouthshire
~ 1 miles S SO190080 Blaina , Breconshire
~ 1 miles S SO190080 Blaina , Monmouthshire
~ 1 miles N SO190100 Nantyglo , Breconshire
~ 1 miles N SO190100 Nantyglo , Monmouthshire

Cas

[osprey]

thanks for that, Cas - I just assumed it was a translation - I should know better...
 

[alllegs]

Osprey, do you mean what happened to William and Jane's daughters?

If so;  I have no idea.  Except for the oldest daughter, Margaret, she was living with her aunt and uncles Charlotte and Matthew Steel in 1901.  Charlotte was Jane's younger sister.  I have no idea where Jane, Martha Jane (aka Pattie) or Rachel are in 1901 though.

I have searched for all of Jane's siblings, they are not with them.  I couldn't find 1 sister on 1901 or a possible marriage for her.

They are not with maternal grandparents either as Rachel is with James WIlliams and new daughter Amy and John is dead.

After then I know Martha Jane emigrated to Florida, she never married and died in 1977, Margaret married William Hubbard in 1923 and died in 1927 after having 3 kids.  Rachel married Patrick Donaghy and had kids.

Perhaps I need to follow James and William's siblings to try and find a link.

Also, whether it be Nantyglo (coal valley/brook) or Coalbrookvale I think they are prretty close thus indicating they could well be the same people.

Thank you all again, I really do appreciate all your assistance!

Legs
xxxx

[osprey]

just noticed Coalbrookvale on the map I posted earlier

 

 


I've been having a hunt around and haven't spotted any of the girls with the Williams side of the family. There's a possibility for Henry in Llanelli, Carms. Struggling to find John and I don't remember there being any more Williams with Martha & her Jepsons. If all else fails, the 1911 census might help....

 

[alllegs]

Ok,

I think this must be Henry in 1891

14 Ralph Street, Llanelly
Henry Williams, 37, Comission agent, born Nantyglo
Harriet Williams, 34, born Llanelly
Mary Williams, 9, scholar, born Swansea

marriage Henry Williams to Harriet Mathews in Llanelly, December 1880

And in 1901

14 Ralph Street

Hanry Williams, 47, Drapers Traveller born Nantyglo
Harriet Williams, 44 born Llanelly
Mary Thomas, foster daughter, 18, dress maker, born Swansea
John Davies, boarder 36, living on own means, born Llanelly