Romani Rosers

[cathayb]

i am desperate for any news of this family.iam romany myself and some of the wilsons and rosers married into my gess/and saunders family here in england.i too would love to know more about what happened to john.and i would love to find the perants of william and diana.cathayb

[tmm1975]

Hi Cathayb

What info did you want to know about the rosers...  I only know what happened to the family when they arrived in australia.  I am still searching for info on them in England, this is probably quite fruitless though as they were Romany.  Let me know.

Tanya

[cathayb]

no its not fruitless.i am a romamy researcher myself as my husband and i are still 100%romany and live on a romany site in england and keep the ways.the wonderful thing about roms is they liked to christen their kids so i am sure we will find out more and i need to search the parish registers.i really need to know who william and dinanas perants were as then i can try and tie them to the english roser and wilson roms.i also would like to know what happened to john as he didnt go to aussie and i cant find a death record for him.if your interested i will post a personal message with my email address and we can keep in touch.are you related to them?i want to stay on this board aswell in case anyone else comes up with something.i have quite a bit on wilson/roser families in england after 1851.romany hugs cathay

[bsngal86]

Hi Tanya,

I think you might be referring to my great-great-great-great-grandparents, William Roser & Dianah Wilson, who immigrated to Australia about 1842? They bore 8 children in total; Lucy, Elizabeth, Fanny, Mary Ann, Diana, William John, Caroline, & James.
Their daughter Lucy, is my great-great-great-grandmother. She married a John Charles Playle 28th Dec 1849 in Northam, Western Australia. She died 13th Sep 1913 in Northam, Western Australia.
Most of the Rosers/Playles settled in Northam & Toodyay in Western Australia. I have a few photos of headstones from the Northam Cemetery I'm happy to share with you, but I've attached a photo of Lucy Roser & John Charles Playle for you.
I've only just started branching out more on the Rosers/Playles, so I don't have alot of info, but I would be glad to help in any way that I can.

Regards,
Rachael

[tmm1975]

Hi Rachael,

Nice to hear from you.  Do you live in WA firstly?

I too come from this line.  Lucy and John Charles' son William married Rosanna Ann Greenacre.  Their daughter Eileen Maude married Ivo Herbert Harrold and their son Norman George married Thelma Irene Henningsen.  So that would make Lucy and Charles my GGG grandparents also.

Do you have the book 'In search of Elizabeth'?  I recognize the photo that you posted, I also have a copy of this.  William and Dianah had another son, his name was John and he was born in 1829 and christened in Mereworth Kent.  Don't know what happened to him yet, but as we both know he didn't come to Aust. 

I have also found William Rosers' parents name too.  Would love to see the headstone photo's haven't been out to Northam yet.  Planning to go to Toodjay over the next few weeks.  I live in Perth (High Wycombe) so it is only about an hour a way.  Will be going to the cemetary to see what I can find.

Anyhow my email address is email address removed by moderator - please use the secure Rootschat personal message system to exchange personal email addresses thankyou
Hope to hear from you soon.

Cheers
Tanya

[bsngal86]

Hi Tanya,

Yes, I'm in Busselton, 250kms south of Perth.

I've been reading "In search of Elizabeth", but according to my grand-uncle, Donald Johnson (great-grandson of Lucy Roser), the Rosers are not Romany gypsies, but were in fact simple farmers, who moved to where the work was, which might explain why they never stayed in one spot for too long. So, right now I'm completely confused and not sure which is the correct story! :-S

Where on earth did you find William Roser's parents names?! I've been searching high and low on findmypast.co.uk and other bdm sites, but to no avail!

Regards,
Rachael

[casalguidi]

A couple of additions in case anybody doesn't have them:

Elizabeth bp East Grinstead 2 Mar 1834 dau of William & Diana ROSA

William ROSE married Diana WILSON 13 Apr 1828 Otford Kent

http://www.familysearch.org

Casalguidi

[cathayb]

you will find their family before they went to australia in the 1841 cencus on ancestry.co.uk  in kent and also in the baptismal records on the county of kents(england).i will try and find the http for you but its such a long time ago i looked into them.you will also find them under showman where thery called themselves rosaires and their is quite a good trree of them on the rosaires circus folk aswell.thats where i found my connection to them as one of them married into my gess family and they are definately gypsies in their england roots.romany roser is a good perdon to contact.she lives in perth.she also has a good website on gypsies.shes the lady who wrote in search of elizabeth.where did you get your copy from?i have been trying for years to get a copy.

[bsngal86]

Hi cathayb, the author was Janice Young; Jan James her name is now. She lives in Northam, where most of the Rosers resided.

Sadly, I'm only borrowing the State Library of WA's copy of "In Search Of Elizabeth"; they are now out of production and Jan tells me that they can retail up to $80 in a second hand shop if you're lucky enough to find one.

Thanks casalguidi, I didn't think of using Family Search :-)