PUGH. Bishop's Castle & area, early census

[Candolim_Imp]

I hope someone may be able to help. I'm seeking information on the Pugh family of Bishop's Castle (possibly with other districts local to BC).

As far as I can make out, the family were as follows:

Richard & Elizabeth Pugh:
Children:
Richard, 1805/6.
Thomas, 1814.
Sarah 1815 (died in infancy).
Sarah, 1816. Jane 1820.
Most or all of these children were born in Bishop's Castle.

I think the son, Richard, had a wife, Ann, as they lived next door to Thomas' wife in a later census and had the same profession as Thomas (Coachman).

The names of the parents are an educated guess, having found the sister, Sarah, living with thomas' wife... and then running an IGI search (which is how I found all the others bar Richard).

Thomas married Hannah Padmore in 1832 in High Ercall, and they had their children in Bishop's Castle:
John Richard Pugh, 1840
Alice Pugh 1843
Twins Lucy & Margaret Pugh, 1845
Thomas Pugh, 1847/48
James Pugh 1850
Rose Pugh 1854

If anyone can give me some clues about this family prior to 1871, I would be very grateful. I am keen to establish confirmation of some of the relatives, particularly the siblings and parents of Thomas, and any occupations not yet established. Obviously the main area of interest is in the census returns of 1861 & earlier, but anything which might add information would be much appreciated.

Apart from the probable brother, Richard, and his wife, Ann.. I have no details of spouses of Thomas' siblings (Sarah & Jane).

Can anyone help?

[mabelsgirl]

I'm a newbie to this board -- Shropshire's a new area for me.

I have a PUGH from Bishops Castle branch in my tree too

The furthest I've been able to get back is to Thomas PUGH, son of John PUGH (and Mary PUGH nee SMALLMAN, I think) -- he married Martha DAVIES in 1860. I think he was born in 1837/8. He was living in Hyssington at the time of his marriage, but was born in Bishops Castle, and had moved to Church Stretton by 1861.

Contact me if you think I can be any help.

Jean

[Candolim_Imp]

Although Shropshire was full of Pughs, I am quite hopeful that these 2 families are connected. My known Pughs were being born in Bishop's Castle between 1814 and 1843, so your Thomas may be the son of a sibling of Thomas I haven't identified yet (not all the siblings in this family are listed in baptismal records and I only established a family link when Sarah, whose baptism is available on IGI, was found living with my Thomas' wife, Hannah Padmore, in 1871).

Thomas Pugh was born 1814 in Bishop's Castle, and married Hannah Padmore in High Ercall in 1832. Their first known child, Emma, was born in Kington in 1838, followed by John Richard (my GG grandfather) in Bishop's Castle in 1840. The remaining children were born in Lower Oakey (or Oakeley) Cottage, Lydham.

If you can possibly identify your John as son of Richard & Elizabeth, then we can establish a shared ancestry. I'll have a closer look when I have more time and see if I can ferret out a connection.... I don't suppose you had Coachmen or Grooms in your tree, as this was a family trade for my gang.

Impy

[Traysha]

I, too, have Thomas and Martha in my tree. Thomas is my gg gd father. I have his marriage cert naming John as his father but am no further back than that.

[Traysha]

Just noticed on the Pugh Lydbury North topic that there is a John Pugh and Mary Smallman with a son Thomas born 1838 but he married Caroline Davies 5 Sep 1858. I wonder if she then died and he married her sister Martha as I have his marriage to her as 8th May 1860. Have you been in touch to find out?

If this is the correct line it seems that John b1806 had a father John b1775 and mother Mary (Davies). They certainly seemed to inter breed.

[Traysha]

Just had a look on ancestry .co.uk and found the death of Caroline Pugh in Sep Qtr 1859 in the Clun district. This is looking very promising that this is the wife of Thomas who then went on to marry Martha Davies (Caroline's sister?) at Clun in 1860 .

So it looks like there is a connection with Pugh at Lydbury North and we can assume that Thomas's gd father was John Pugh b 15 Jun 1775 and gd mother Mary Davies b 11 Feb 1776.

Whose line are you from Mabelsgirl? William Pugh b1862 had a son John c1886 who was my gd father.

[Dolgellau]

John Pugh and Mary Smallman are my 4 x great grandparents. Their son John being my 3 x grandfather.

I knew about the marriage of Thomas Pugh to Caroline Davies, but hadn't realised that she had died so soon after her marriage.

The marriage is recorded in Mark George's Lydbury PR transcriptions
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~markgeorge/LydburyWeb/Registers/Reg1858.htm#Mar1858 But she doesn't seem to be buried there.

I have four children for Thomas, who I had assumed were the children of Caroline:
Agnes (1864), Alice (1866), Lucy Ann (1870), Ellen (1872) and John Thomas (1876). If Caroline had died so soon after the marriage all of these would have been Martha's children, I suppose.

These are his ancestors as I have the. However I haven't checked the facts for generations 4 and 5 from a reliable source.

 Generation No. 1
1.  Thomas Pugh, born 18 July 1838.  He was the son of 2. John Pugh and 3. Mary Smallman.  He married (1) Caroline Davies 05 September 1858 in Lydbury North,

Generation No. 2
2.  John Pugh, born 1806 in Church Stretton, 2.  He was the son of 4. John Pugh and 5. Mary Davies.  He married 3. Mary Smallman 15 October 1827 in Lydbury North, Shropshire
3.  Mary Smallman, born 26 November 1808 in Lydbury North.  She was the daughter of 6. Charles Smallman and 7. Elizabeth Raynolds.


Generation No. 3
4.  John Pugh, born 15 June 1775 in Church Stretton.  He was the son of 8 Francis Pugh and 9 Mary Spragg.  He married 5. Mary Davies 30 April 1798 in Lydbury North.
5.  Mary Davies, born 11 February 1776 in Lydbury North.  She was the daughter of Sarah Davies.
6.  Charles Smallman, born 1781 in Edgton; died 01 February 1863.  He was the son of Edward Smallman and Jane Pritchard.  He married 7. Elizabeth Raynolds 30 December 1806 in Lydbury North.
7.  Elizabeth Raynolds, born 1780 in Lydbury North, 32.  She was the daughter of William Raynolds and Elizabeth Meyrick.

Generation No. 4
8.  Francis Pugh, born Abt. 1745; died 17 February 1808 in Church Stretton.  He married 9. Mary Spragg 16 September 1766 in Diddlebury,
9.  Mary Spragg, died 03 May 1807.
11.  Sarah Davies, born 15 April 1754 in Lydbury North.  She was the daughter of 22. Richard Davies and 23. Sarah Preese.   
12.  Edward Smallman, born 04 June 1745 in Edgton.  He was the son of  24. Joseph Smallman and 25. Sarah Davies.  He married 13. Jane Pritchard 01 February 1769 in Lydbury North.
13.  Jane Pritchard
14.  William Raynolds, born 10 March 1754 in Lydbury North.  He was the son of 28. Thomas Raynolds and 29. Elizabeth Richards.  He married 15. Elizabeth Meyrick 01 January 1775 in Stokesay,
15.  Elizabeth Meyrick, born 1751 in Clunbury, 55; died 24 September 1818 in Lydbury North.  She was the daughter of 30. Thomas Meyrick and 31. Margaret Cooper.

Generation No. 5
22.  Richard Davies  He married 23. Sarah Preese 08 July 1754 in Lydbury North.
23.  Sarah Preese
28.  Thomas Raynolds, died 28 November 1779 in Lydbury North.  He married 29. Elizabeth Richards 03 May 1744 in Lydbury North.
29.  Elizabeth Richards, died 29 November 1787 in Lydbury North.
30.  Thomas Meyrick  He was the son of  Edward Meyrick and . Joyce Meyrick.  He married 31. Margaret Cooper 30 November 1734 in Hopesay.
31.  Margaret Cooper  She was the daughter of  Thomas Cowper and  Margaret Cowper.

[mabelsgirl]

I'm confused (not an unusual state of affairs!)

I've got Thomas PUGH marrying Martha DAVIES in 1860.

I've got their children (from 1871 Census) : William, Mary, Agnes, Alice, George, Lucy Ann (my GG Grandmother)

But I've got Thomas's parents being John and Elenor PUGH -- 1851 census -- not, as I'd thought, John and Mary Smallman.

Told you I was confused!

Jean

[Traysha]

Jean

If you have access to the 1851 census do a look up to see if you can find John and Mary Pugh with a son Thomas aged abt 13 just to rule out Elenor.