Robert HOWE

[genjen]

My goodness me,

It was well past midnight here so I turned the computer off and went off to bed. this morning I get up to find that all this has been going on in my absence. It is going to take me a while to get my head round everything you have found on my behalf so may not reply for a while.

Just one thing I need to get clear - the letters were from Mrs W. Tulloch, on behalf of her sister, Miss Madden. So Winifred was a Madden before her marriage to John Tulloch. What we are looking for is an unmarried female Madden who has some connection to my James Howe.

As for the requests for money, I am wondering why James Howe owed money to Miss Madden - is it worth looking for Madden illegitimate births around 1911- 17. I know James's family background remember! His own mother, Catherine Shaw, married Clarence Howe when she was heavily pregnant at the age of sixteen. Did he go off to be killed leaving a disgraced Miss Madden behind him?

Thank you for all your work, I expect you are in bed now!

Jen

[tropicalj]

No Jen  not bed time  here just yet.

found  this death  which indicates one  child at least to Robert Howe


Betty Marjorie HOWE died at TECO in 1958 aged 36 reg no 21986
father Robert   mother Lily Ellen SMITH


regards Jenn

[genjen]

Yey! that explains the Betty mystery. I knew there was one somewhere along the line.

Sorry, I am rubbish at understanding time zones. Are you about twelve hours ahead of where we are here?

Jen

[tropicalj]

at  the moment it is  9.04 pm  in  Queensland  so  it  is  10.04  in  NSW and Victoria and Tasmanian

Jenn

[jorose]

One of the letters to Mrs Tulloch, mentions also a S. L. Williams of the 5th Battalion (no 1196)

http://www.aif.adfa.edu.au:8080/showPerson?pid=325876 - probably this Sydney Lory Williams? He and James Shaw Howe appear to have been in the same unit and embarked together:
http://www.aif.adfa.edu.au:8080/showPerson?pid=144733

So perhaps they did both board in the Tulloch house at some point? Or somehow, at least, were connected and Winifred knew that - perhaps she was hoping that Sydney could give her some info on James...

Sydney was born in NZ but ended up in NSW and was still alive in 1967 (letter from him in WWI file).  He may have married Marion E Taylor in NSW in 1921.  He was awarded the Military Medal and DCM, and court-martialed but found not-guilty, looks like! There is nothing in his file about the Tullochs or Maddens, though...

[trish251]

As for the requests for money, I am wondering why James Howe owed money to Miss Madden - is it worth looking for Madden illegitimate births around 1911- 17. I know James's family background remember! His own mother, Catherine Shaw, married Clarence Howe when she was heavily pregnant at the age of sixteen. Did he go off to be killed leaving a disgraced Miss Madden behind him?


Jen

Hi Jen

This was what I was thinking as well - but it seems to be near impossible to find a sister for Mrs Tulloch, which is why I kept checking what happened to her - BDM information. It was just that there were quite a few letters, the lady really wanted to get in touch him and kept trying and trying, despite no replies. Perhaps it should remain an unsolved mystery as to why she wanted to contact him

Trish

[genjen]

I suspect it may well have to remain unsolved but at least I now know something of the fates of Robert, Frederick Arthur and James, so I am more than happy. Now I just have to work on Dora, Harry and Catherine, the rest of the siblings, who stayed in Scotland - or so I believe.

Many thanks,

Jen

[Penny H]

Alice Mary Madden died aged 74 in 1949 reg no 7170 at Froy
Father Madden Thos Mother Eliza  HOCKING
This Alice Mary Madden never married or left Victoria. Alice ran a private hospital with her sister Lilian in Victoria.