It seems all the dates are correct for William Bannerman , ........on what site did you find the Margaret? .........I have another twist for you , I have your Janet Shand also in my findings .......but I have her down as a Jean Shand ?!?!?....and I found James Dyce in a census 1851 as living with William Bannerman .....this is all very interesting ......... I'll have to pull some late nights and get back into my research .........thank you . please tell me what other information you have my lines are Tough , Forbes , Bannerman , Critchton (or Crighton )., Shand , Robb ,Thow ,