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Re: Will I ever find Jimmy Holmes?
« Reply #36 on: Sunday 19 March 23 15:49 GMT (UK) »
I wonder if his apprenticeship records may have survived. This link to NRM gives some advice that may help.

https://www.railwaymuseum.org.uk/research-and-archivefurther-resources/family-history

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Thanks. Good idea.
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ROSS or MUNRO Scotland, Inverness
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Re: Will I ever find Jimmy Holmes?
« Reply #37 on: Sunday 19 March 23 15:51 GMT (UK) »
http://warmemscot.s4.bizhat.com/warmemscot-ftopic742-0-asc-0.html

Anything on this site that can help ?

Thanks mmm45 it was through that site I found James at Waverley Station, it HAS to be the same James who lived with my g-grandparents.

Even if it is Him is the Army and in an Occupation Exempted
Doesn't mean he ever Went Overseas
So he wouldn't have been awarded any Medals and therefore no Medal Index Card
However if he Died in the UK therefore there will be a GRO Death Index for him and he'd be Buried in the UK
If he Died in Service he would be entitled to a CWGC Military Headstone
In which case he'd be listed on the CWGC Website
I just entered J Holmes
Got 11 Pages
None Fit
So Doesn't Explain Death you found ?
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Re: Will I ever find Jimmy Holmes?
« Reply #38 on: Sunday 19 March 23 15:52 GMT (UK) »
See update to my post re rolls of honour.
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Re: Will I ever find Jimmy Holmes?
« Reply #39 on: Sunday 19 March 23 16:08 GMT (UK) »
He is included in the railway museum roll of honour
CURRIE & KERR Scotland, Bute, Isle of Arran
ROSS or MUNRO Scotland, Inverness
SUTHERLAND & BUDGE, HAMILTON or GORDON Caithness, Halkirk Area 1700 & 1800's; Lanark 1900’s
MCGRATH or MCGRAW, MCINTYRE, MCWHINNEY, FERGUSON, CAMPBELL, FLANAGAN, WAUGH & THOMSON Ireland
MCGRATH or MCGRAW Wigtown early 1800’s; USA, Taft (CA), Jarbridge (NV) early 1900's
WYLLIE & HIGGINS Scotland, Lanarkshire & Ayrshire


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Re: Will I ever find Jimmy Holmes?
« Reply #40 on: Sunday 19 March 23 16:12 GMT (UK) »
Great find from Pinetree idea
But not alot of Help more not even Date


He should be listed here ::-

https://www.nrscotland.gov.uk/research/learning/first-world-war/register-house-roll-of-honour-1914-1918#Roll%20of%20staff%20who%20served
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Re: Will I ever find Jimmy Holmes?
« Reply #41 on: Sunday 19 March 23 16:18 GMT (UK) »
ALAMO2008

If James didn't serve in the war why would be be on the North British Railway Roll of honour?
CURRIE & KERR Scotland, Bute, Isle of Arran
ROSS or MUNRO Scotland, Inverness
SUTHERLAND & BUDGE, HAMILTON or GORDON Caithness, Halkirk Area 1700 & 1800's; Lanark 1900’s
MCGRATH or MCGRAW, MCINTYRE, MCWHINNEY, FERGUSON, CAMPBELL, FLANAGAN, WAUGH & THOMSON Ireland
MCGRATH or MCGRAW Wigtown early 1800’s; USA, Taft (CA), Jarbridge (NV) early 1900's
WYLLIE & HIGGINS Scotland, Lanarkshire & Ayrshire

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Re: Will I ever find Jimmy Holmes?
« Reply #42 on: Sunday 19 March 23 16:33 GMT (UK) »
ALAMO2008

If James didn't serve in the war why would be be on the North British Railway Roll of honour?


Where did I say he didn't Serve?
I said it looks like he never went Fighting Overseas
Which is why there is no Medals Index Card for him.
Not All Soldiers in the Army went Fighting Overseas
Which I explained Why he is Listed on the Roll
But it doesn't say he Died Overseas
He would still be entitled to that Honour dying in UK
As my Granddad did second time around  dying in a POW Camp in 1943
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Re: Will I ever find Jimmy Holmes?
« Reply #43 on: Sunday 19 March 23 17:38 GMT (UK) »
Well Hanan, I must say this is an intriguing case. One thing that I am curious about is the likelihood that he did not die overseas.

If he died in the U.K. from a non combat related cause, would he have had a normal funeral? Would there be a death certificate? In such cases I am wondering what the correct military procedure would be.

Could the CWGC, Imperial War Museum or National Army Museum be of any assistance here?

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Re: Will I ever find Jimmy Holmes?
« Reply #44 on: Sunday 19 March 23 17:51 GMT (UK) »
Well Hanan, I must say this is an intriguing case. One thing that I am curious about is the likelihood that he did not die overseas.

If he died in the U.K. from a non combat related cause, would he have had a normal funeral? Would there be a death certificate? In such cases I am wondering what the correct military procedure would be.

Could the CWGC, Imperial War Museum or National Army Museum be of any assistance here?

How?
Did I not explain above that I reviewed the 11 pages of the CWGC site
How could they explain why his Burial is not Recorded in their Records?

His Cessation of his Army Pay are not shown now on Soldiers Effects page either.
CHAPMAN ROBINSON McKAY O'MALLEY