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[kerryb]

hi everyone
 Just been checking census and found this one is it anyone you looking for Kerryb ?

1851 HO/107 -1641-132-p11
East Grimstead Withyham Surrey
Henry Wood 34 b 1817 Lingfield  Ag Labour
Ester Wood  34 b 1817 Lingfield
Ellen Wood   13 b 1838 Lingfield  Seamtress
Sarah Payne  7 b 1844 Lingfield  Scholar  ( niece)

Again not one I've come across before in my direct line but we are looking for an Esther Payne born 1817, Lingfield.  I am presuming that Esther Wood must have been Payne or am I totally confusing and tangled up with me nieces??  I'm going to . one.

They lived at Saxbys in Lingfield, I have other Paynes at Saxbys and they are next door to William Kesterton 

Kerry

[kerryb]

   
Henry Payne born 1867, Lingfield, ( Q1 1866 2b 129  or Q3 1866 2b 113 East GRinstead)
1871 Lingfield with parents
1881 Lingfield with parents (1881 Alice Steer Lingfield with parents)
married Alice Steer in 1891, East Grinstead and was a bricklayer,
1891 Lingfield with the Steer family
1901  65 Buckingham Place Brighton (with wife Alice, children Elise 9 Violet 3 and sister in-law Agatha)

birth
PAYNE Elsie Adelaide       East Grinstead.2b   149   Q3   1891

 PAYNE Violet       Brighton.2b   230   Q1   1898   
or
PAYNE Violet May       Godstone.2a   206   Q1   1898   

in 1901 Violet is listed as being born godstone so i think it will be the latter

 

could this be Violets marriage?
PAYNE Violet M  (spouse) Trattles   Steyning.2b   585   Q1   1919   

Wouldn't that be more likely to be the Brighton Violet - possibility though 

Kerry

[kerryb]

Kerry are these births yours?

all Payne mmn. Steer

 Albert H D   Reigate.2a   397   Q3   1913                 
   
 Lily E  Reigate.2a   327   Q2   1918                 
   
 Winifred A      Reigate.2a   386   Q3   1913   (ooh Winifred / Winnie)

Well too young to be children of Henry and Alice Steer, so presumably another Payne married a Steer.  I'll check FindMyPast around that time. 

Did they all call their children Winnie, my gran had a sister called Winnie but she was a Terry of course. 

Kerry

[kerryb]

Morning all

Well done Toni ...fabulous work!!!!

look what I found ... Spencer Payne married Amy Jane Nash ...
This MUST be her death ....

NA:
PAYNE COR/3/2/1920/25
Amy Jane, wife of Spencer Payne, licensee of The Jolly Fisherman Inn, 35 Market Street, Brighton; 47; at the Royal Sussex County Hospital; fracture of the skull and laceration of the brain caused by a fall at [home] on 9 Feb; accidental death
Date: 1920


deb

Oooh thanks Deb, that's fantastic. No actually its quite sad.  And another publican. 

Kerry

[toni*]

Benjamin Payne born 1798

hi Kerry - thsi seems tobe going relatively easy for once!

Benjamin in
1851  HO107 1641 386 49 South lane Worth (maybe Worth lane)
1861 RG9 580 20 1 (Worth Lane Worth .... lace cottage)
1871 RG10 1059 25 10 (Yew Tree Worth)
Ann died in bewteen census
1881 (with son Thomas  family) St Johns .... Worth RG11 1060 45 37


Benjamin married Ann unknown (b. circa 1798  godstone )prior to 1851

he worked as an ag lab 1851, carter 1861, labourer 1871

they had children all born worth
Thomas 20 in 1851 (scholar coachman)
Joseph 14 do. (scholar carter)
Mary Ann 10 do.


Thomas son of Benjamin Payne family as 1881
(some the p.o.b are hard to read so i have only put down the ones i can read!)
Thomas Payne 50 garden lab
Ellen wife 49
Charles son 16 b. brighton
Arthur son 13
Annie dau. 10

[kerryb]

Here is another payne lol

1901 RG13/632-27-p6 Godstone St Peter & St Paul
Emily Sarah payne 20 b 1881  Lingfield Servant

I've never seen that one before, she must fit in somewhere as well.  Shall have to check for an Emily born 1881 in Lingfield. 

Kerry

[toni*]

Morning all

Well done Toni ...fabulous work!!!!

look what I found ... Spencer Payne married Amy Jane Nash ...
This MUST be her death ....

NA:
PAYNE COR/3/2/1920/25
Amy Jane, wife of Spencer Payne, licensee of The Jolly Fisherman Inn, 35 Market Street, Brighton; 47; at the Royal Sussex County Hospital; fracture of the skull and laceration of the brain caused by a fall at [home] on 9 Feb; accidental death
Date: 1920


deb

Oooh thanks Deb, that's fantastic. No actually its quite sad.  And another publican. 

Kerry

i wonder if that pub is still there, and this means that Spencer was alive in 1920!

[kerryb]

1

John Payne born 1878, Lingfield,
1881 Lingfield with parents,
1891 Lingfield with parents   
married Florence Agnes Nash in 1899, Godstone, Surrey,
1901 6 Lavinia Road Croydon as Head but with wifes sister and Thomas Nash visitor widower pensioned constable (who was Thomas Nash?)

working on Thomas NAsh

1901 aged 58 b. Lingfield RG13 641 25 41 (details as before)

1891 RG12 235 108 38
6 litle george st, st boldph aldgate

added so Thomas Nash is Florences father now to findthe conenction with Amy Jane if there is one.

Thomas Nash head 48 city police constable b. lingfield
Jemima E wife 46 b. worcester
KateE dau. 21 b. London Aldgate
Florence A dau. 14 b. do.
Margaret dau. 2 b. do.

1871 RG10 414 66 28
148 ......... Aldgate
Thomas Nash head 28 city policeman b. Lingfield
Jemima E wife 26 b, Worcester
Elizabeth do.  d b. aldgate (this is crossed thorugh ont he census)
Kate Ellen dau. 1 b. Lingfield
Edwin brother son 22 Billard Marker b. Worcester
John Hy Evans coachman 15 coachman b, do.
William do. errand boy 11 errand boy b. do.

next door is another city policeman also

1851 HO107 1641 192 4
John Nash 42  head shoemaker b. lingfield (as are all the family)
Elizth  39  shoemakers wife
John son 14 errand boy
Fredk  son 12 scholar
George son 10  "
Thomas  son 8 "
Edgar son  6  (no occ. given not even scholar  )
Elizabeth dau.  4 scholar
Edward  1 
 

Excellent thank you Toni 

Kerry

[kerryb]

Benjamin Payne born 1798

hi Kerry - thsi seems tobe going relatively easy for once!

Benjamin in
1851  HO107 1641 386 49 South lane Worth (maybe Worth lane)
1861 RG9 580 20 1 (Worth Lane Worth .... lace cottage)
1871 RG10 1059 25 10 (Yew Tree Worth)
Ann died in bewteen census
1881 (with son Thomas  family) St Johns .... Worth RG11 1060 45 37


Benjamin married Ann unknown (b. circa 1798  godstone )prior to 1851

he worked as an ag lab 1851, carter 1861, labourer 1871

they had children all born worth
Thomas 20 in 1851 (scholar coachman)
Joseph 14 do. (scholar carter)
Mary Ann 10 do.


Thomas son of Benjamin Payne family as 1881
(some the p.o.b are hard to read so i have only put down the ones i can read!)
Thomas Payne 50 garden lab
Ellen wife 49
Charles son 16 b. brighton
Arthur son 13
Annie dau. 10

Brilliant Toni, I'll check the Surrey Marriage Index to see if marriage prior to 1837.

Kerry

Modified - checked and no not there so could be Sussex or after 1837.