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[tiggi]

Here is another payne lol

1901 RG13/632-27-p6 Godstone St Peter & St Paul
Emily Sarah payne 20 b 1881  Lingfield Servant

[toni*]

Hi Tiggi i think there were 3 Payne familes in East GRinstead at that time, no proven connection betweent he three, one was quite well to do, thats not Kerrys lot!

[toni*]

Clara Payne born 1876, Lingfield, (birth PAYNE Clara East Grinstead.2b   127   Q4   1875   )
1881 Lingfield with parents   
1891 living in Litchfield, servant (isn’t Litchfield Staffs?) is this def. ‘our’ Clara?
1898 married George Wood , Godstone 2b 411
1901 living in Godstone son Kenneth age 1

birth Q3   1899   
WOOD Kenneth George       Godstone.2a   203   

[toni*]

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John Payne born 1878, Lingfield,
1881 Lingfield with parents,
1891 Lingfield with parents   
married Florence Agnes Nash in 1899, Godstone, Surrey,
1901 6 Lavinia Road Croydon as Head but with wifes sister and Thomas Nash visitor widower pensioned constable (who was Thomas Nash?)

working on Thomas NAsh

1901 aged 58 b. Lingfield RG13 641 25 41 (details as before)

1891 RG12 235 108 38
6 litle george st, st boldph aldgate

added so Thomas Nash is Florences father now to findthe conenction with Amy Jane if there is one.

Thomas Nash head 48 city police constable b. lingfield
Jemima E wife 46 b. worcester
KateE dau. 21 b. London Aldgate
Florence A dau. 14 b. do.
Margaret dau. 2 b. do.

1871 RG10 414 66 28
148 ......... Aldgate
Thomas Nash head 28 city policeman b. Lingfield
Jemima E wife 26 b, Worcester
Elizabeth do.  d b. aldgate (this is crossed thorugh ont he census)
Kate Ellen dau. 1 b. Lingfield
Edwin brother son 22 Billard Marker b. Worcester
John Hy Evans coachman 15 coachman b, do.
William do. errand boy 11 errand boy b. do.

next door is another city policeman also

1851 HO107 1641 192 4
John Nash 42  head shoemaker b. lingfield (as are all the family)
Elizth  39  shoemakers wife
John son 14 errand boy
Fredk  son 12 scholar
George son 10  "
Thomas  son 8 "
Edgar son  6  (no occ. given not even scholar  )
Elizabeth dau.  4 scholar
Edward  1 
 

[deb usa]

Hi again

Does Kerry want the Steer's done?

found this on NA:
Royal Hospital, Chelsea: Discharge Documents of Pensioners WO 121/186/74
GEORGE STEER Born LINGFIELD Served in 8th Royal Veteran Battalion; 5th Foot Regiment Discharged aged 29 after 9 years 2 months of service Residence or place where pension paid stated in document. See film image 208 . GEORGE STEER Born LINGFIELD Served
Date: 1816

he has to be related somehow

deb

[kerryb]

Hi Toni

PHew did you get any work done?

I will have a closer look tonight and add the older stuff when I am home.

Kerry

Right here we go!

this is the generation of John born 1807 father to Elizabeth etc.

Benjamin Payne born 1798
Elizabeth Payne born 1801
Henry Payne born 1804
John Payne 1807 to 1890 - mine
Sarah Payne born 1809
Jane Payne 1811 - 1813

These are all children of Edward Payne born 1780 East Grinstead and Jane unknown, they were all baptised in East Grinstead and little Jane died and was buried in East Grinstead.

The Kestertons -
John Kesterton born 1771 Edenbridge, Kent died 1835 Lingfield, Surrey
married Ann Salis 1803 Lingfield she was born 1784 Edenbridge and died 1852 Lingfield
children:
Ann born 1802 Edenbridge
Thomas 1805 Edenbridge
Sarah 1810 Lingfield
Esther 1817 Lingfield and baptised in Lingfield
Eliza 1821 Lingfield and baptised in Lingfield
Rebecca 1824 Lingfield and baptised in Lingfield
William born 1826 Lingfield

Kerry

[kerryb]

Thanks everyone for the other information which I shall print out and go through

Kerry

[kerryb]

Part 2


John b. 1844 siblings were

Elizabeth Payne born 1836 in Lingfield
1841 census in Lingfield
1851, as Sue says, HO 107/1592/92/23 with the Edwards family.(servant)
1858 she got married to William Reynolds - FreeBMD (Jun,1858,E.Grinstead,2b,155).
1861 RG9/579/177/14.
1871 RG10/1058/30/55. Glen Vue Road East Grinstead (children William S or J 9  scholar Emma 11  Elizabeth  7  .Alice  4  .Ada  1 )
Death REYNOLDS Ada  age 4  East Grinstead.2b  87  Q1  1874
1881 RG11/1057/43/10. (children Alice 14  Elizabeth 17  Evelyn  9  William 19)
1891 RG12/788/66/11. (children Elizabeth  27  Eveline 19  )
1901 RG13/904/114/31. no children with them)
Death REYNOLDS William  age 67  East Grinstead.2b  98  Q1  1903
Childrens births :
Q21861   Reynolds  William Franson     2b 109
Q41866   REYNOLDS  Alice    2b 126    (Alice in 1891 servant for the William family RG12  469 30 51)
Q21869   Reynolds  Ada     2b 130
Q41863    REYNOLDS  Elizabeth     2b 115   
Q3 1871   Reynolds  Evelyn Edith    2b 127
Q21859  REYNOLDS  Emma   2b 105   
MARRIAGE Q1 1894 East Grinstead.2b   234
REYNOLDS Evelyn Edith           
WATERS Charles   
1901RG13 904 67 29.
18 St James Road East Grinstead (Children Evelyn E Waters 5 May E Waters 3)
 Does she belong to this family? Birth REYNOLDS Maud East Grinstead.2b   141   Q3  1876 
Deaths Q3 1876  REYNOLDS  Maude  0  East Grinstead  2b 65

George Payne born 1838 in Lingfield,
1841, Lingfield,
 1851, Lingfield,
1861 Lingfield,
1871, Lingfield, Ag Lab.
1878 Q3 Married Harriett Agent  ,E.Grinstead,2b,189
1881 4 Martins Place Lingfield with father in law, wife children Elizabeth M 2, Emily S 11
1891 RG12/789/52/24.

Sarah Payne born 1841 in Lingfield, (didn’t marry, ‘dressmaker’) Birth for Sarah Payne Mar 1841 Reigate Surrey
1851, Lingfield HO107  1641  194  9
1881 dressmaker head - all alone RG11  168 74  34 St John Hampstead London 60 Gayton rd
1891 RG12 107 160 30;(dressmaker still - head) St Stephens Hampstead
1901 RG13 121 109 39. london hampstead St Stephen as a Housekeeper Servant
Death for Sarah Payne 1842-1910 Oct/Nov/Dec
Wandsworth London Surrey aged 68  1d 359
Could this be Sarahs death?
Sarah Payne Oct-Nov-Dec 1908 age 67 Paddington Greater London
Vol 1a Page 6


Emma Payne born 1849 in Lingfield,
1851, Lingfield
 1861, Lingfield
1871 servant in Kingston
1877 Q2 1d 1058 Camberwell married Thomas Potter
1881 97 Rye Lane Camberwell son Edwin 3 born Peckham


John Payne born 1844 as above and I (Kerry) have details for him.

their Parents were:
John Payne born 1807, Lingfield, died 1890  and Sarah Kesterton 1810 to 1877, Lingfield
1881 School House East GRinstead
Kerry can go back two more generations with the Paynes and has a bit of info. For the Kestertons who seem to originate in Edenbridge Kent (Sarahs mother is Ann and brother William)

Kerry perhaps you can give us this info so we can work on that also

are Florence Nash and Amy Nash related ?
who is Thomas Nash?

John Payne marriage to Jane Smart Carver in east Grinstead 1881....2b 219..which John Payne is this?


Kerry is he one of yours? :~
birth
PAYNE Joseph Spencer       East Grinstead.2b   156   Q2   1882   
1891 56 HIgh street East Grinstead with father George J aged 41 (can't make out occ.)both born East Grinstead RG12 788 7 9
1901 barrackes near Chichester  RG13 971 55 7
married
PAYNE Joseph S     East Grinstead.2b   307   Q4   1911                 
LIMMER Lucy M   
children
PAYNE Edith M    Limmer   East Grinstead.2b   237   q2   1912                   
PAYNE George S    Limmer   East Grinstead.2b   182   q4   1917                   
PAYNE Margery C    Limmer   East Grinstead.2b   219   q2   1914 

Hi Toni

Joseph Spencer Payne doesn't ring any bells and I've not found any sign of him so far but I won't discard him because the use of the name Spencer makes me think he could well fit in somewhere.  His father George would have been born 1850. 

Kerry

[kerryb]

   
Henry Payne born 1867, Lingfield, ( Q1 1866 2b 129  or Q3 1866 2b 113 East GRinstead)
1871 Lingfield with parents
1881 Lingfield with parents (1881 Alice Steer Lingfield with parents)
married Alice Steer in 1891, East Grinstead and was a bricklayer,
1891 Lingfield with the Steer family
1901  65 Buckingham Place Brighton (with wife Alice, children Elise 9 Violet 3 and sister in-law Agatha)

birth
PAYNE Elsie Adelaide       East Grinstead.2b   149   Q3   1891

 PAYNE Violet       Brighton.2b   230   Q1   1898   
or
PAYNE Violet May       Godstone.2a   206   Q1   1898   

in 1901 Violet is listed as being born godstone so i think it will be the latter

 

Yes I agree its probably the Godstone one, I think Lingfield came under Godstone.  Henry stayed in Lingfield didn't he.  He's not one that went to Brighton. 

Kerry