KerryB's Second Chance Scavenger Hunt. Everyone Welcome To Join In.

[kerryb]

okay ..this is my little contribution ... I am posted these just in case there are connections to kerry's family ...rather have more than less, I say  

national archives; Payne's fron LINGFIELD

Online Document PROB 11/1801
Will of Faithfull Payne Farmer Lingfield, Surrey . Will of Faithfull Payne Farmer Lingfield, Surrey
Date: 1832.

Online Document ADM 188/944
Name Payne William Spencer K38966 Lingfield, Surrey . Name Payne William Spencer K38966 Lingfield, Surrey
Date: 1893

Online Document PROB 11/2119
Will of Richard Payne Laborer Lingfield , Surrey . Will of Richard Payne Laborer Lingfield , Surrey
Date: 1850.


Online Document PROB 11/2021
Will of Sarah Payne Widow Lingfield , Surrey . Will of Sarah Payne Widow Lingfield , Surrey
Date: 1845

is East grinstead in surrey or Sussex?

deb

Hi Deb

When I first started this game, I got totally confused with East Grinstead, and searched and searched and searched for records in Surrey.  Its in Sussex.    Once I realised that I got back another 2 generations. 

As Gadget says Payne is a common name, seriously common.  However there seems to be at least 3 families that appear in East Grinstead around the time of the 1500s.  They are proving difficult to sort out but there are clues to them.  One family lived in a large Iron Masters house in the centre of town and were Mayor and important people (of course not my family!) another were iron workers down in a district called Legsheath, ironworks now under a reservoir, these lot I think due to clues in will etc are mine.  I am just awaiting a letter from West Sussex County Archivist to see if we can pin down a mid 1700s birth for my William, grandfather to John born 1807.  I found stacks of entries on the Nat archives site and some great big fat clues!

I'll store these with those, as they could be useful.  My John born 1807 seems to move across the border into Lingfield where the family remained till my grandmothers time.  I have a feeling some of Johns siblings were there too but I have not done much research into them as yet.

I like this family, for once they are not Ag Labs but Iron Workers and Brickmakers.  Something different 

Kerry

[Gadget]

Morning Kerry 

Origin of Payne - I haven't checked it out but i was always told it was either derived from peasant or pagan.

Gadget 

[toni*]

Online Document ADM 188/944
Name Payne William Spencer K38966 Lingfield, Surrey . Name Payne William Spencer K38966 Lingfield, Surrey
Date: 1893

is East grinstead in surrey or Sussex?

deb

Hi Deb

East Grinstead is West Sussex Forest Row (which is fairly nearby) is East SUssex

William Spencer Payne he probably be the dearh i found 


added oops no he won't that was George spencer payne 

[toni*]

Hi Kerry i am at work too! 

who do you want us to concentrate on? the children on the siblings? of who the siblings married 

[kerryb]

Morning Kerry 

Origin of Payne - I haven't checked it out but i was always told it was either derived from peasant or pagan.

Gadget 

Hi Gadget

I guess peasant would make sense then because it is so common 

And would suit my lot down to the ground.

Kerry

[kerryb]

Hi Kerry i am at work too! 

who do you want us to concentrate on? the children on the siblings? of who the siblings married 

Hi Toni

Children and siblings might be useful and interesting.  I have a few surnames floating around in my head that are supposed to be cousins of my gran ie Russell, and wonder if they fit in somewhere.

Kerry

[toni*]

okay i hope Kerry doesnt mind me posting this (particulary as it has taken me all morning! in between working)

Part 1

Kerrys Grans received letters from Warwick whilst courting (1930ish) which mention these people

Uncle Maurice, (Maurice Payne b. Q3 1889 (East Grinstead 2b 137)  Lingfield 
1891 Lingfield with parents
1901 Lingfield with parents
Uncle Maurice worked at the Morris Car works in Coventry.

Auntie Maggie?

Auntie Jennie,  Jennie Skinner & Jennie Thorpe both married Paynes  but may be someone completely different (Jennie Thorpe married Frederick C Payne and Jennie Skinner I think married Ray S Payne but not entirely sure about Ray ) could aunt Jennie be Jane? ...ie; Janie

Cousin Alice, Cousin Winnie and an Olive.  Some possible births have been given for Winnie & Olive but the problem is they be after 1901, also we are talking about a time when Cousin could be any relatives child of the same generation.

Uncle Arthur.?

Kerrys Gran’s mother was Emily Payne born 1883 in Lingfield, Surrey and died 1950 in Lingfield. 

Emily Paynes siblings were:
   
Henry Payne born 1867, Lingfield, ( Q1 1866 2b 129  or Q3 1866 2b 113 East GRinstead)
1871 Lingfield with parents
1881 Lingfield with parents (1881 Alice Steer Lingfield with parents)
married Alice Steer in 1891, East Grinstead and was a bricklayer,
1891 Lingfield with the Steer family
1901  65 Buckingham Place Brighton (with wife Alice, children Elise 9 Violet 3 and sister in-law Agatha)

Alice Payne born 1869 on census, (Q1 1868 2b 141 or Q4 1868 2b 135 East GRinstead) Lingfield,
1871 Lingfield with parents,
1881 Lingfield with parents
1891 Croydon as a servant
1895 Q4 married Walter Gardner Watford 3a 390
1901 Rickmansworth Herts with husband
1918 death Q4 Watford 3a 1685 Alice Gardner age 49     

Martha Payne born 1871,
1871 Lingfield with parents
1881 do.
1891 Lingfield as housemaid , domestic
1893 death,  PAYNE Martha  age 21  East Grinstead.2b  102  Q1  1893

Spencer Payne born 1874,
Bricklayer
married Amy Jane Nash in 1896, Brighton, Sussex,
1881 Lingfield with parents,
1891 Lingfield was bricklayer labourer   
1901 15 Over Street Brighton, (with father in law (who is head) brother in law and wife and children Gladys V 3, Spencer G 4 months) Spencer George Payne b. Q3 1900 St George Hanover Sq 1a 435  Gladys Victoria Payne b. Q3 1897 Brighton 2b 229
a couple of possible marriages
PAYNE Gladys V  & Arthur R Barker   Steyning.2b   717   Q4   1917           
PAYNE Gladys V  & Albert E Mills-strudwick   Brighton.2b   542   Q1   1918 
and births to go with the marriages
MILLS Gladys A    Payne   Brighton.2b   273   Q1   1919 
BARKER Arthur F    Payne   Steyning.2b   632   Q1   1920   
 
Clara Payne born 1876, Lingfield, (birth PAYNE Clara East Grinstead.2b   127   Q4   1875   )
1881 Lingfield with parents   
1891 living in Litchfield, servant (isn’t Litchfield Staffs?) is this def. ‘our’ Clara?
1898 married George Wood , Godstone 2b 411
1901 living in Godstone son Kenneth age 1

John Payne born 1878, Lingfield,
1881 Lingfield with parents,
1891 Lingfield with parents   
married Florence Agnes Nash in 1899, Godstone, Surrey,
1901 6 Lavinia Road Croydon as Head but with wifes sister and Thomas Nash visitor widower pensioned constable (who was Thomas Nash?)

Jane Payne born 1881, Lingfield,
1881 Lingfield with parents,
1891 Lingfield with parents 
1900 Q2 married James Henry B Chadwick Godstone  2a 421
Then they disappear (abducted by aliens?)

Emily (great grandmother) for which I (Kerry) have details           

Alfred Payne born 1887 (birth PAYNE Alfred       East Grinstead.2b   152   Q3   1886 )
Grocer and Baker,
1891 Lingfield with parents,
1901 Lingfield with parents

Maurice Payne born 1890, Lingfield, as above (very top)

Frank Payne born 1894, Lingfield,
1901 Lingfield with parents

their parents were John 1844 to 1925 and Jane nee Faulkner1847 to 1930 both in Lingfield.

So did any of this lot move away to Warwick ?

[toni*]

Part 2


John b. 1844 siblings were

Elizabeth Payne born 1836 in Lingfield
1841 census in Lingfield
1851, as Sue says, HO 107/1592/92/23 with the Edwards family.(servant)
1858 she got married to William Reynolds - FreeBMD (Jun,1858,E.Grinstead,2b,155).
1861 RG9/579/177/14.
1871 RG10/1058/30/55. Glen Vue Road East Grinstead (children William S or J 9  scholar Emma 11  Elizabeth  7  .Alice  4  .Ada  1 )
Death REYNOLDS Ada  age 4  East Grinstead.2b  87  Q1  1874
1881 RG11/1057/43/10. (children Alice 14  Elizabeth 17  Evelyn  9  William 19)
1891 RG12/788/66/11. (children Elizabeth  27  Eveline 19  )
1901 RG13/904/114/31. no children with them)
Death REYNOLDS William  age 67  East Grinstead.2b  98  Q1  1903
Childrens births :
Q21861   Reynolds  William Franson     2b 109
Q41866   REYNOLDS  Alice    2b 126    (Alice in 1891 servant for the William family RG12  469 30 51)
Q21869   Reynolds  Ada     2b 130
Q41863    REYNOLDS  Elizabeth     2b 115   
Q3 1871   Reynolds  Evelyn Edith    2b 127
Q21859  REYNOLDS  Emma   2b 105   
MARRIAGE Q1 1894 East Grinstead.2b   234
REYNOLDS Evelyn Edith           
WATERS Charles   
1901RG13 904 67 29.
18 St James Road East Grinstead (Children Evelyn E Waters 5 May E Waters 3)
 Does she belong to this family? Birth REYNOLDS Maud East Grinstead.2b   141   Q3  1876 
Deaths Q3 1876  REYNOLDS  Maude  0  East Grinstead  2b 65

George Payne born 1838 in Lingfield,
1841, Lingfield,
 1851, Lingfield,
1861 Lingfield,
1871, Lingfield, Ag Lab.
1878 Q3 Married Harriett Agent  ,E.Grinstead,2b,189
1881 4 Martins Place Lingfield with father in law, wife children Elizabeth M 2, Emily S 11
1891 RG12/789/52/24.

Sarah Payne born 1841 in Lingfield, (didn’t marry, ‘dressmaker’) Birth for Sarah Payne Mar 1841 Reigate Surrey
1851, Lingfield HO107  1641  194  9
1881 dressmaker head - all alone RG11  168 74  34 St John Hampstead London 60 Gayton rd
1891 RG12 107 160 30;(dressmaker still - head) St Stephens Hampstead
1901 RG13 121 109 39. london hampstead St Stephen as a Housekeeper Servant
Death for Sarah Payne 1842-1910 Oct/Nov/Dec
Wandsworth London Surrey aged 68  1d 359
Could this be Sarahs death?
Sarah Payne Oct-Nov-Dec 1908 age 67 Paddington Greater London
Vol 1a Page 6


Emma Payne born 1849 in Lingfield,
1851, Lingfield
 1861, Lingfield
1871 servant in Kingston
1877 Q2 1d 1058 Camberwell married Thomas Potter
1881 97 Rye Lane Camberwell son Edwin 3 born Peckham


John Payne born 1844 as above and I (Kerry) have details for him.

their Parents were:
John Payne born 1807, Lingfield, died 1890  and Sarah Kesterton 1810 to 1877, Lingfield
1881 School House East GRinstead
Kerry can go back two more generations with the Paynes and has a bit of info. For the Kestertons who seem to originate in Edenbridge Kent (Sarahs mother is Ann and brother William)

Kerry perhaps you can give us this info so we can work on that also

are Florence Nash and Amy Nash related ?
who is Thomas Nash?

John Payne marriage to Jane Smart Carver in east Grinstead 1881....2b 219..which John Payne is this?


Kerry is he one of yours? :~
birth
PAYNE Joseph Spencer       East Grinstead.2b   156   Q2   1882   
1891 56 HIgh street East Grinstead with father George J aged 41 (can't make out occ.)both born East Grinstead RG12 788 7 9
1901 barrackes near Chichester  RG13 971 55 7
married
PAYNE Joseph S     East Grinstead.2b   307   Q4   1911                 
LIMMER Lucy M   
children
PAYNE Edith M    Limmer   East Grinstead.2b   237   q2   1912                   
PAYNE George S    Limmer   East Grinstead.2b   182   q4   1917                   
PAYNE Margery C    Limmer   East Grinstead.2b   219   q2   1914 

[kerryb]

Hi Toni

PHew did you get any work done?

I will have a closer look tonight and add the older stuff when I am home.

Kerry