KerryB's Second Chance Scavenger Hunt. Everyone Welcome To Join In.

[geniecolgan]

Oow eck! you're up to 5 pages already, I'll never catch up at this rate.

Dentist n things got in the way.

Who are we missing still? I'd better just go from this point.

Nice to see you in The Hunt Sue

[toni*]

Is this of any use?  1825 birth of Caroline STEER in Westham.

i'm not up to speed with the Steers Badg, best wait for Kerry on that one!

HI Genie see the list on page 1 we are working through the names on there missing census , marriages detahs etc.

hold on i'll post a mini update

[toni*]

the bits i have added are in purple

My gran’s letters written in the 1930s to grandad (whilst courting) mention some relatives that I would love to fit into the tree.  I think because of the names they are her maternal relatives, seem to fit the pattern of names but it would be interesting to see if we can fill in the details for 2 generations of the Payne family with missing census returns and spouses, children etc.

The relatives that are mentioned are Uncle Maurice, = Maurice Payne Auntie Maggie, Auntie Jennie,= possibly Jennie Skinner or Jennie Thorpe ? Cousin Alice, Cousin Winnie and an Olive. - Winnie & Olive possible births given these need following up on the census  There is also an Uncle Arthur.  The letters are written from Warwick and Uncle Maurice worked at the Morris Car works in Coventry.

Gran’s mother was Emily Payne born 1883 in Lingfield, Surrey and died 1950 in Lingfield. 

Her siblings were:
   
Henry Payne born 1867, Lingfield, married Alice Steer in 1891, East Grinstead and was a bricklayer, 1871 Lingfield, with parents, 1881 Lingfield with parents      
Alice Payne born 1869, Lingfield, 1871 Lingfield with parents, 1881 Lingfield with parents      Sue found in 1891,1901 and her death also
Martha Payne born 1871, I was told she might have died 1893?   1871 Lingfield with parents, 1881, Lingfield with parents, 1891 Lingfield as housemaid, domestic   death confirmedSpencer Payne born 1874, also Bricklayer and married Amy Jane Nash in 1896, Brighton, Sussex, 1881 Lingfield with parents, 1891 Lingfield was bricklayer labourer   found in 1901 in brighton
Clara Payne born 1876, Lingfield, 1881 Lingfield with parents   found in 1891 & marriage    John Payne born 1878, Lingfield, married Florence Agnes Nash in 1899, Godstone, Surrey, 1881 Lingfield with parents, 1891 Lingfield with parents   found in 1901
Jane Payne born 1881, Lingfield, 1881 Lingfield with parents, 1891 Lingfield with parents   found marriage to .... (can't remember) Chadwick then she dissappearsEmily (great grandmother) for which I have details            
Alfred Payne born 1887 Grocer and Baker, 1891 Lingfield with parents, 1901 Lingfield with parents
Maurice Payne born 1890, Lingfield, did he move to Coventry area?, 1891   Lingfield with parents, 1901 Lingfield with parents, i think we are waiting for the 1911 census for various reasonsFrank Payne born 1894, Lingfield, 1901 Lingfield with parents

Parents were John 1844 to 1925 and Jane Payne, 1847 to 1930 both in Lingfield.

So did any of this lot move away to Warwick and can we fill in some of the missing details for them?  I have not actually confirmed any of their dates of birth,  all come from census returns. Some of the other details might be a bit difficult because we don’t access
to 1911 yet but I am sure that some information can be found.

When you get bored of that generation the previous generation were:
Elizabeth Payne born 1836 in Lingfield, appears on 1841 census in Lingfield
George Payne born 1838 in Lingfield, appears on 1841, Lingfield, 1851, Lingfield, 1861 Lingfield, 1871, Lingfield, Ag Lab.  found in 1881
Sarah Payne born 1841 in Lingfield, appears on 1851, Lingfield
Emma Payne born 1849 in Lingfield, appears on 1851, Lingfield and 1861, Lingfield
John Payne born 1884 as above and I have details for him.

Parents were:
John Payne born 1807, Lingfield, died 1890  and Sarah Kesterton 1810 to 1877, Lingfield.

okay i think thats what we have done so far but please remember this is Kerrys hunt not mine!

[jamajo]

Hi Genie,

           Nice to hear from you. Its all a bit confusing trying to keep up for me as well

          Never mind its nearly my bedtime so you can finish it off

                                      Sue

[jamajo]

Think i may have found Emma b 1849 name spelt Paine in 1871
  She is a servant in Kingston Surrey
   RG10, P 861, F 118 Page 5

                Sue

[geniecolgan]

OK I've found Elizabeth Payne b 1836 as follows:-

1851, as Sue says, HO 107/1592/92/23 with the Edwards family.
1858 she got married to William Reynolds - FreeBMD (Jun,1858,E.Grinstead,2b,155).
1861 RG9/579/177/14.
1871 RG10/1058/30/55.
1881 RG11/1057/43/10.
1891 RG12/788/66/11.
1901 RG13/904/114/31.

I hope I'm not repeating what others have found 

Genie

[geniecolgan]

George in 1881

 RG11 1059  4  2

4 Martins Place Lingfield
William Agent head wid 75 labourer (all born Lingfield)
George Payne son in law mar 42 labourer
Harriet wife 33
Elizabeth M dau 2
Emily S dau 11 months
james Wood lodger unm. 19 (or 49 ) bricklayers lab.

next door but one at number 2 live the Steer family

Carrying on with George.....

He married Harriet Agent in 1878 see - FreeBmd (Mar,1878,E.Grinstead,2b,189)

1891 RG12/789/52/24.

Can't find him in 1901 yet 

[kerryb]

Kerry working on the names in the letters you have Uncle Maurice and Aunt Mggie so was Maggioe hsi wife?

also cousin Winnie
now i found these
births
PAYNE Winifred       East Grinstead.2b   146   Q3   1883   

PAYNE Winifred       Coventry.6d   514   Q4   1893   

PAYNE Winifred Agnes       East Grinstead.2b   143   Q4   1901   - she just missed the 1901 census

PAYNE Winifred E    mmn. Cuthbert   Coventry.6d   1158   Q3   1917   
(CUTHBERT Maud I & Harry Payne married  West Ham.4a   69   Q1   1914)   

PAYNE Winifred Emily       Brighton.2b   234   Q1   1906   

PAYNE Winifred Margaret       Guildford.2a   93   Q1   1896   

what do you think?

The Coventry one might be a hopeful as that is where they were supposed to be except that maybe she was a generation too old to be a cousin of my grans.  Might be worth looking at further though.

Kerry

[kerryb]

  In 1891 Alice Payne b 1869 Lingfield is in Croyden working as a servant.
      RG12, P 593, Folio 40, Page 76

And in 1901 there are 2 Alices b 1869 Lingfield
One is married to an Edward Avery living in St Pancras London
and one with Walter Gardner living in Rickmansworth Hertfordshire

     Dont know what you think of these Kerry

                 Sue

 

Hi Sue

The 1891 is definitely her I reckon.  I'll look for Alice marriages after 1891.

Thanks

Kerry