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[kerryb]

do we have a Henry Payne b. 1814 i found him in 1851 - 1881 inc. with wife Susannah, will post details separately so not to confuse!

Henry & Susannah 1851-1881

1851 HO107 1641 133 12
Henry Payne head 37 Sawyer (all b. Lingfield)
Susan wife 36
Lucy dau. 11 scholar
James son 9 do.
Mary Ann 3 do.
next door
Charles 27 sawyer
Rebecca 27 wife
Hester dau 3
Saxby
James 51 shoe maker master employer kent edenbridge
mary 49 wife b. lingfield
william 25 so shoemaker b. do.

1861  RG9 446 115 26
Henry Payne 47 (some sort of  employer) b. lingfield
Susannah 46 wife b.do.
James son 19 b. do.
Susan dau. 17 b. do.
next door
South Green Oxted
Moses 37 Sawyer b. lingfield
rebecca wife 37 b. do.
Elizabeth Esther 12 dau scholar b. do.
Emma dau 7 do b. do.
Sarah ann dau 4 do. b. do.
Lucy dau. 1

1871 RG10 830 60 14
Reigate
Henry head 57 farm baliff b. lingfield
Susannah wife 58 b. do.
Susan  dau. 27 dressmaker b. do.

1881 RG11 799 91 15
park lane reigate
Henry Payne 67 farm baliff b. lingfield
Susannah 66 wife b. do.
Lucy dau. unmarried 41 b. do.

Just to confuse things this Henry was born in Lingfield at a time mine were being born in East Grinstead.    I wonder who he was!

I think Henry and Tamar was my direct one son of Edward and Jane.

Kerry

[kerryb]

Henry Payne born 1804

1851 HO107 1641 244 12
wow lots of children will fill that in in a min
1861 possibly RG9 579 6 7 age out a bit

details from 1851

Henry Payne head 46 Ag Lab (all b. East Grinstead)
Tamar wife 36
Benjamin son 16 ag lab
Tamar dau. 11
Henry son 9
Jane dau 7
Elizabeth dau 5
Edward son 3
Sarah dau 2
James son 11 months

The same Henry and Tamar in 1871
RG10 1058 5017 in East Grinstead again but his wife is called Thomas according to A******y and he was born 1811

Kerry

[kerryb]

This is probably his death

Henry Payne born abt 1804
died 1879
Quarter - June
District - East Grinstead
Vol - 2b
Page 89

No sign of him on the 1881

Kerry

[kerryb]

And death of wife Tamar

Tamar Payne
born about 1816
died 1875
Quarter - September
District - East Grinstead
Vol - 2b
Page - 75

Kerry

[toni*]

duplicated!

[toni*]

  Could this be Sarah b 1841 in 1901 census Kerry? She is in Hampstead London
  She is working as a servant age 60 but i cant find her in any earlier census.


    RG13/121/109/39

           Sue

Hi Sue

shes not married is she

i found these

1901
RG13 121 109 39.

1891
 RG12 107 160 30;
(dressmaker still - head)

1881 dressmaker (nudge nudge wink wink )  head - all alone
RG11  168 74  34

1851
HO107  1641  194  9

Brilliant Toni

So I just need the 1861 and 1871 now!

BTW way why nudge nudge wink wink, am I missing something??

Kerry

hi kerry wasn't dressmakers another term for hmm ladies of the night?
 

[kerryb]

Really 

I didn't know that!

gosh someone interesting in the family.

Kerry

[kerryb]

Henry Payne in 1841

H0107 1115 1/33 6

Again in East Grinstead

No success with a marriage on either the Surrey or Sussex Indexes.  I think I need another look. they must be there.

Kerry

[toni*]

Really 

I didn't know that!

gosh someone interesting in the family.

Kerry

Kerry it may of course mean she was just a dressmaker but if it was cover or lady of the night then it would explain why she wasnt married!
she seemed to earn enough money to be head of the household
mind you in her later years would she still be 'dressmaking' i suppose the younger man might like a more expereinced woman to show him the art of how to make dresses
sometimes though these dressmakers would have several illegitimate children - this was not the case of Sarah

so weigh up both sides and what do you think

added -
sometimes there were a lot of dressmakers living in the one household, the equivalent to the modern day brothel
again Sarah seemed to be practising dressmaking alone
did your family have lots of pretty dresses ?