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Where is Llanallgo?
« on: Monday 24 March 08 15:45 GMT (UK) »
I've just discovered my gggrandfather Evan Jones of Bethesda was born 1830ish in Llanallgo or Llandyfrydog (depending on which census record I look at).  So I've been trying to find him ..... but I'm getting confused.  I can find Llandyfrydog on both the 1841 and 51 censuses but I can only find Llanallgo parish on the 1851 census but not the 1841.  I thought it might just be missing but I can't find it listed as a missing parish either.

Can anyone help me to locate Llanallgo in 1841 please.  Does anyone know if Llanallgo was part of another parish in 1841 or is it missing?

Any info at all on the general area or Llanallog/Llandyfrydog would be welcome
as it is not an area I am familiar with

Ninian
Roberts (Llandanwg, Llanfihangel y traethau, Ffestiniog, Merionydd);  Jones (Bethesda, Caernarfonshire; Llandyfrydog, Angelsey); Jones, Davies (Bagillt, Holywell, Flintshire);  Turner, Bardsley (Ashton, Lancashire);  Fielding (Darley Dale, Derbyshire); Brockelbank (Louth, Lincolnshire); Allen (Ridgmont, Bedfordshire)

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Re: Where is Llanallgo?
« Reply #1 on: Monday 24 March 08 16:29 GMT (UK) »
Hi Ninian

There are a few general references to the place & the church.

http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/AGY/Llanallgo/index.html

http://www.royalcharterchurch.org.uk/

especially with the 150 anniversary of the loss of the Royal Charter next year.

There is nothing for Llanallgo on the National Achives site for 1841 which implies it was not a distinct parish / district in its own right then for census purposes but part of Llandyfrydog, or somewhere else?

The enumerators description of Llandyfrydog district one is vague but this contains an entry for an 11 year old Evan Jones who may or may not be yours!

"All that part of the Parish of Llandyfrydog which lies to the North of the High Road leading from Maenaddfwyn passing Felin Esgob towards Capel y Park, from thence toward Llanerchymedd till you meet the road leading to Amlwch"

You could also try the Old Maps site to see if there is anything helpful

Good luck
SandraC
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Also, Craggs, Hamer, Sampson, Hesketh, McNamara, Hodson.

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Re: Where is Llanallgo?
« Reply #2 on: Monday 24 March 08 19:51 GMT (UK) »
Hello Sandra

Thanks for this.  I had looked at the description of Llandyfrydog district  but it sounds the same for both 1841 and 51 - perhaps suggesting that Llanallgo wasn't included within it in 1841?? Probably Llanallgo parish also lies to the north & south of the High Road but I don't know.  What I could do with is a map showing parish boundaries in Anglesey - you don't happen to know of one do you?

There are 2 11 year old Evan Joneses and a 9 year old as well - amazing for what seems to be a small parish, so I'm having difficulty finding out which is the right one.

I'll have a good look now at the sites you suggested - many thanks.

Ninian
Roberts (Llandanwg, Llanfihangel y traethau, Ffestiniog, Merionydd);  Jones (Bethesda, Caernarfonshire; Llandyfrydog, Angelsey); Jones, Davies (Bagillt, Holywell, Flintshire);  Turner, Bardsley (Ashton, Lancashire);  Fielding (Darley Dale, Derbyshire); Brockelbank (Louth, Lincolnshire); Allen (Ridgmont, Bedfordshire)

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Re: Where is Llanallgo?
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 03 May 08 09:02 BST (UK) »
Hello Ninian,

I have also been looking for a family born in Llanallgo, and think I found them and the area under the parish of Llaneugrad - District 11.The Ancestry records certainly say "Parish of Llanallgo".

Hope this helps

Good hunting

Alan


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Re: Where is Llanallgo?
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 03 May 08 11:01 BST (UK) »
Hello Alan

Many thanks for this - it was very timely.  I've just recieved Evan's marriage certif which gives his father's name as William - which now narrows the choice of 3 Evans down to 2 .... I've been thru the whole of Llandyfrydog/Penrhoslligwy/Llanallgo for '41 to no avail.  So I shall now explore Llaneugrad.  Thanks for the tip.

Regards
 
Ninian
Roberts (Llandanwg, Llanfihangel y traethau, Ffestiniog, Merionydd);  Jones (Bethesda, Caernarfonshire; Llandyfrydog, Angelsey); Jones, Davies (Bagillt, Holywell, Flintshire);  Turner, Bardsley (Ashton, Lancashire);  Fielding (Darley Dale, Derbyshire); Brockelbank (Louth, Lincolnshire); Allen (Ridgmont, Bedfordshire)

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Re: Where is Llanallgo?
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 07 November 09 15:43 GMT (UK) »
Hello!  I looked up your posts about Llanallgo as that's also where my ancestors came from.

I was recently at the Records Office in Llangefni and was using a book which had an outline map of the parishes of Anglesey.  Each one has a standard number and these are also the ones used on GENUKI http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/AGY/parishes.html .  I asked whether it was possible to have a copy of the map, but the book was supplied by the Gwynedd Family History Society on the condition that it was not to be photocopied: however, there was no objection to my making a sketch-map.  This is a bit rough and wobbly but it shows that Llanallgo (13) is enclosed by Penrhosllugwy (70) and Llaneugrad (29) with Llandyfrydog over to the west of Penrhosllugwy.  Since returning home to internet access I've found that GFHS has made a map available on its website at http://www.gwyneddfhs.org/

There are some useful Calvinistic baptism records available through GENUKI at the link above, and you might also find FreeREG helpful http://www.freereg.org.uk/search/index.htm as you search by county and parish.

I didn't get as long at the Records Office as I would have liked (2 afternoons -- could have stayed all week!) but I can't praise the staff enough for their helpfulness and interest, answering personal and telephone enquiries in two languages and providing information of all kinds from maps to microfiche. 

While I was in Anglesey I also bought a map, not just to get about the island but to see the location of place-names that come up in research.  It's OS Landranger 114, scale 1:50,000 so it should be available from OS direct or good bookshops.

It's a great place to spend a holiday -- oh, and I'm told you can also visit museums, theatres, beaches, go walking, climbing, shopping, riding, sailing, dine out etc if you're interested in all that kind of thing....

Hope you find what you're looking for!

Meryll


Anglesey: Pritchard & Mathew(s)
Bedfordshire: Veal. Money, Willson
Northants: Wills, Trench, Coles
Bucks: Hitchcox
London: Wills, Harris, Jones
Devon: Woodgates
Bangor/Llanllechid: Williams

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Re: Where is Llanallgo?
« Reply #6 on: Monday 09 November 09 02:28 GMT (UK) »
Quite sure I'm not gong to get told off for breaching copyright with this 1937 map by a long since defunct map publisher.
Jones, Parry, Williams on Lleyn, Hughes, Thomas on Anglesey/Caernarvonshire, Blunt, Davies, Lee in Dudley, Staffs
Cox, Humphreys and Keech, Bedford
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Re: Where is Llanallgo?
« Reply #7 on: Monday 09 November 09 12:41 GMT (UK) »
Hello Meryll and Welsh Gen

It's good that this string has been revived.  I have made some progress with my Llanallgo/Penrhosllugwy Joneses but I'm stil  struggling with whether I have the right ones or not - almost inevitable with Joneses, I s'pose.

I'm in South Wales so I treated myself to a trip to the Llangefni Archives this summer and as you say Meryl they were really helpful but I only have 1 day there and needed a month!  I'm still finding the parishes confusing - very difficult to find the borders of them so the links will be very useful (I'm going to ope them now) and WelshGen's map is also very useful, I shall save it to my tree notes so I don't lose it.

I had moved on from my Evan Jones and family but this has rekindled my interest and I'll have another look for the family

Regards Ninian
Roberts (Llandanwg, Llanfihangel y traethau, Ffestiniog, Merionydd);  Jones (Bethesda, Caernarfonshire; Llandyfrydog, Angelsey); Jones, Davies (Bagillt, Holywell, Flintshire);  Turner, Bardsley (Ashton, Lancashire);  Fielding (Darley Dale, Derbyshire); Brockelbank (Louth, Lincolnshire); Allen (Ridgmont, Bedfordshire)

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Re: Where is Llanallgo?
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 10 November 09 08:54 GMT (UK) »
Hello Ninian

I'm currently grappling with the mysteries of addresses and places of origin as given on the Censuses.  I spent some time wandering round Moelfre looking at house names in the hope that some had stayed the same and taking photographs so I didn't have to rely on memory.  Nothing as simple as 22 High Street in 1851, unfortunately.  Moelfre is definitely regarded as a separate village now, but on the Victorian Censuses it seems to be used as an address for several households within the parish of Llanallgo. 

I also suspect (although I'm happy to be corrected if someone has more information about this) that the problem of parish boundaries and places of birth is compounded because the summaries which are all that we see for Censuses 1841-1901 have been "tidied up" to read as per the enumerators' instructions.  For example, people's job titles sometimes get annotated or adjusted (eg "shepherd" to "Ag Lab") and this editing may be why my great-grandfather in London is shown some years as born in Lambeth and other years as born in Newington, yet I know it's the same man.  So maybe the information given by the residents was "interpreted" on the summaries, or where a household had nobody who could do their own form-filling the scribe may have adapted what he/she was told. 

As for the difficulty of knowing which Jones is which (I have Joneses in London!) it's a shame the Census doesn't also show the names that were used at the time: there's a gentleman in my tree who was known as "Joe Pork" from his trade as a butcher, and his neighbours would have recognised him by that appellation.

Best of luck with the hunt through the parishes.

Meryll
Anglesey: Pritchard & Mathew(s)
Bedfordshire: Veal. Money, Willson
Northants: Wills, Trench, Coles
Bucks: Hitchcox
London: Wills, Harris, Jones
Devon: Woodgates
Bangor/Llanllechid: Williams