M I's - St Peter & St Paul, Aston, Birmingham

[Bonnie66]

There is another St Peter and Pauls - this is the Catholic Church, it could be classed as Aston its on Gravelly Hill near Spagehiti Junction - or it was (I have not been back to Uk for 30 years) Could this be the Church you are looking for. It was somethimes called Aston as apposed to Erdington.

[fayl]

Hi Bonnie66

Thank you for the info but my mothers is 99.9% certain that her grandparents were both buried at Aston Church (close to the Villa football ground).

Just as soon as I get some time off work then I will try to research this a little more in depth.

Regards

[nickiejo]

If anyone is going to Birmingham Library soon, would it be possible to check the MI's to see if they include:
Joseph Hallam b1743 bur 23 Dec 1832 aged 89 at St Peter and St Paul, Aston.
Many thanks for any help.

Since writing above, have discovered an index list for the above MIs - and it doesn't include any Hallams, so please ignore request.

Nicola

[scottharper]

Hi Faye ,

i have some news for you regarding John and Elizabeth Harper from Claverley . After almost 30 years of searching I had given up all hope of finding them . I went to the who do think you are show at the NEC and although there wasn't any direct help , I thought about the 1841 census in a different way.
There is a parish bordering Claverley called Bobbington . Historically it had been part of the parish of Claverley. Part of the historic parish of Bobbington had been in Shropshire and part of it in Staffordshire.  Using Ancestry I found a John Harper baptised in Bobbington on 9/1/1785 , which fits in with our John Harpers age on his death certificate. His partents are given as John and Elizabeth Harper who were married in Bobbington as John Harper and Elizabeth Thomason in 20/10/1781. It all appears to fit.
John Harper -1785 , appears to have had two brothers Benjamine bapt 24/10/1787 and William bapt 24/11/1782 both in Bobbington. I cant find any details of either brother in 1841 census


I think i have also got details of our John and Elizabeth's marriage . Working on the details you had of Elizabeth's death certificate and the informant given as sister Ellen Bragger , I searched for births around Elizabeth's birth date , for 2 sisters of these names . The only possibility was 2 sisters by the name of White. Then searching for a John Harper and Elizabeth White Marriage , the only possibility was a Wolverhampton St Peters marriage for 23/9/1827. Wolverhampton is not far from Claverley and would have been the biggest urban industrial town in the area. this fits with John working in the metal/blacksmith trade and serving an apprenticeship . Through Elizabeth's mother Mary Ball , there is indirect link to Charles Dickens , whose paternal Grandmother was a Ball .

How about that , what do you think of my hypothesis ??

Scott (Harper)
 PS
I am not sure If you are still looking for a burial for John (jack ) harper who died in 1944 . As far as i know and My dad remembers attending the funeral he is buried in grave 93 53602 in Witton cemetery. I went to the grave years ago and there is no stone 

[fayl]

Hi Scott

Lovely to hear from you, can’t believe its been 8 years since I made this post about John and Elizabeth Harper.  I was just a beginner starting out on family research at that time.

Yes I know Bobbington and its location to Claverley – visited several times.

Based on the info on Elizabeths death certificate I had also  come up with births for Elizabeth White and her sister Ellen (Bragger) and also a marriage at St Peters in Wolverhampton for a John Harper and Elizabeth White in 1827.

With regards 2 (possible) brothers you may have found for John Harper – Benjamine  and William – I do not have any notes re Benjamine but did make notes for a William Harper – but my gut feeling is that they do not fit in – i.e. naming patterns – neither of those names crop up in any of John and Elizabeth Harpers children or their childrens children – which is very strange for that period of time - there again I am just a novice and you have much more experience than I of family research so I don’t think (at this moment in time) you should ignore your research re a possible family connection based on naming patterns – or lack of them.

However I am basing my comments/reply on memory as all my paperwork/scribbled research notes are stored in the loft so would need to check them out before I can comment further on William - at least.

I also attended Who Do You Think You Are at the NEC – albeit for just a couple of hours.  The Coventry/Warwickshire/Foleshill stands were quite helpful as I was looking for further info on John Harper (born 1863) married to Elizabeth (Pitt) during the time they lived there.

I have (over the last few years) sent you several e mails and tried to contact you through Ancestry to discuss my research and info I found on John Harper (b 1785) before he married Elizabeth (which I don't think you have as you haven't mentioned it in this post),  and also John Harper (born 1863 and his children with Elizabeth (Pitt) - but unfortunately I never heard back from you so could you let me know if you have changed your e mail address so I can  contact you with what I have found and we can either dismiss it or research it further.

Two heads are better than one.

Regards
Fay