Anthony Royal 1851

[Gryffrees]

This family has generated quite a lot of interest. I am curious to know of the Australian connection (which part of the family emigrated).

I have that Murder book mentioned and it was a James Hall involved in the murder in Yarmouth.

I am trying to insert the picture of J J Royals grave and I also have a photograph of his house in Runham, Vauxhall. I can't figure out how to do it?

I think he acquired his fortune through the toll bridge where he had some sort of right to the fees to cross. He was also on the council.

I have never found a photograph of him and considering his wealth and size of family he would have had several photos done but they have either been destroyed or the part of family that had them has gone!

[trish1120]

Hi all,
I noticed a couple of Trees for Anthony with no Parents listed and thought I'd have a look;
Possible scenario.

Possible Christening;
Anthony ROYALL, 03 April 1774, Norwich, Norfolk
Parents THOMAS/ELIZABETH
(IGI has it at St John Timberhill, Norwich)
Plus also in Norwich to a Thomas/Elizabeth from FreeREG;
THOMAS, 06 August 1770
JOHN, 13 October 1771

Then we have, St Nicholas, Great Yarmouth, to a Thomas/Elizabeth;
ROBERT 1776
NURSEY 1778
MARY 1780
(Source FreeREG)

IGI has a Thomas ROYALL marrying Elizabeth MOORE, 28 October 1767, Saint John Timberhill, Norwich, Norfolk
+ FreeREG has a Thomas ROYAL, Widower marring Sarah HUBELDAY, 1788 in Kings Lynn.

Could Anthony been have born Norwich and grown up on Yarmouth and that is where he thought he was born?

Interestingly there is a ANTHONY Royall, Bachelor of Great Yarmouth marrying
Alrita DYE, Spinster at St Nicholas, 06 January 1734/1735

Anthony who died 1857 was Buried 07 January 1857, Yarmouth, Norfolk

It may be worth you checking out Freereg, F/S Pilot, IGI etc to go back further if you have already not done so.

Trish

[Duodecem]

Hello -I am another descendant of James John Royal -his daughter Hannah was my the mother of my grandmother. I am fascinated by the story of Antony Royal and his 2 names. How did you establish that both names belonged to the same person? It certainly makes tracing ancestors difficult when they do things like that! I believe sailors got a sum of money when they enlisted on a ship. Do you think our Antony enlisted twice and received double pay?
From the census information it seems that he was born in 1781 so I doubt if he is the Antony Royall born in Norwich in 1774- unless of course he was confused about his date and his place of birth, which is perfectly possible I suppose

[Gryffrees]

Hi,

His pension papers has his name listed and the alias together and the muster list for one of the ships he served on had his alias name linked.
I don't think he would have got double pay, I've never heard of that.
All research has failed to establish his birthplace and parents. I presume your Hannah married Samuel Hambling?
I will be interested to talk further and fill in the tree gaps with you.

[Duodecem]

Double pay would have been a good reason for enlisting under 2 names -It's strange isn't it, especially as his alias was obviously known and recorded. I suppose we'll never know the real reason -probably something much more prosaic!
Do you suppose that Antony's father was also a mariner -in which case Antony could have been born abroad and his birth unrecorded?
You are right that Hannah married Samuel Hambling -their 3rd child Ethel May born 1886 was my grandmother. Hannah died either at or shortly after her birth.
I'd be very interested to find out more about our tree.

[bobtonks]

Trish

I have been researching my wife's family for some time. I think you are correct with Anthony's parents although I thought it odd that non of Anthony's children (to my Knowledge) were named Thomas or Elizabeth. Maybe Elizabeth Moore lived in Norwich, which could explain why they initially lived there. Do you know why when I search James John Royal in the IGI I get duplicate results for 'Yarmouth' and 'Earsdon by North Shields'?

Bob

[Duodecem]

Hi Bob -According to Freereg, an Anthony Royall was baptised in Yarmouth on 12th November 1738, son of Anthony and Alf* Royall. (Alf* is referred to as Affita and Affrilla on the baptism records of her other children and, as Trish says she is Altrita Dye on her marriage record -she obviously gave the transcribers problems!)
Do you think the Anthony baptised in 1738 could be the father of our Anthony Royal?

Another possibilty -if our Anthony was the son of Thomas and Elizabeth born Norwich 1774-is that he ran away to sea -using the name Thomas Reed as an alias until he was of age and didn't risk being brought home by his parents. in which case he may have claimed his adopted home -Yarmouth as his birthplace.
Thomas Royall who married Elizabeth Moore was a farmer -perhaps Anthony rebelled against
 a life working on the land. Elizabeth Moore was a widow when she married so presumably had a different maiden name.
A complete break with his parents would explain why none of Anthony's chldren were named Thomas or Elizabeth.
Jan

[oldhippy]

I have Hannah and Samuel Hambling in my Hambling family tree that I'm researching. Click on the link below to see my site.

[Duodecem]

The Hambling family tree is excellent- thank you so much for the link.