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BURT family from Wemyss
« on: Friday 21 March 08 14:20 GMT (UK) »
Is anyone researching this Burt family from Wemyss?
I'd love to know more about this family if anyone
can help.
My ancestors were David Burt and Rosina Anderson
and my line is through their daughter Rosina Burt b1791.
Rosina married William Chalmer in St Cuthberts, Edinburgh
in 1813.

Thank you.
Chris
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Husband: David BURT
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       Birth: 17 May 1750    Wemyss Fife. Ref. C114597 - IGI        
         Chr: 27 May 1750    Wemyss Fife. Ref C114597 - IGI           
    Marriage: 5 Dec 1782   Abbotshall, Fife. Ref M113997 IGI                     
      Father: John BURT (    -    )
      Mother: Margaret SALMOND (1718-    )
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Wife: Rosina ANDERSON
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       Birth: 17 Sep 1765 Saint Cuthbert, Edinburgh. Ref C119869
      Father: John ANDERSON (    -    )
      Mother: Margaret DRUMMOND (    -    )
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Children
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1 M John BURT
       Birth: 14 Nov 1783    Wemyss, Fife,                                  
         Chr: 16 Nov 1783    Wemyss Fife. Ref C114596 IGI                 
      Spouse: Christian OSWALD (1784-    )
    Marriage: 30 Dec 1808    Wemyss Fife  . IGI M114596                     
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2 F Agnes BURT
       Birth: 4 Apr 1786     Wemyss Fife                                     
         Chr: 5 Apr 1786     Wemyss Fife   Ref C114596 IGI                 
       Death: pre 1895                                                             
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3 M James BURT
       Birth: 17 Feb 1788    Wemyss Fife                                   
         Chr: 24 Feb 1788    Wemyss Fife   Ref C114596 IGI                 
       Death: pre 1800                                                             
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4 F Margaret BURT
       Birth: 8 Oct 1789     Wemyss Fife                                    
         Chr: 11 Oct 1789    Wemyss Fife   Ref C114596 IGI                 
      Spouse: Walter LINDSAY (    -    )
    Marriage: 25 Oct 1808    Wemyss Fife Ref M114596                     
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5 F Rosina BURT
       Birth: 10 Jul 1791    Wemyss Fife   Ref. C114596  IGI               
         Chr: 24 Jul 1791    Wemyss Fife   Ref C114596 IGI   
              
      Spouse: William CHALMERS (    -    )
    Marriage: 13 Jul 1813    Saint Cuthberts, Edinburgh. Ref IGI M119883           
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6 M David BURT
       Birth: 23 Mar 1793    Wemyss Fife                                    
         Chr: 31 Mar 1793    Wemyss, Fife  Ref IGI C114596                 
  Occupation:                Linen Weaver; Wemyss Fife Scotland.  Ref.1841/51 census
      Spouse: Grizzel MILLER (1789-    )
    Marriage: 30 Dec 1814    Wemyss Fife Scotland. Ref M114596 IGI                 
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7 F Agnes BURT
       Birth: 9 May 1795     Wemyss Fife Scotland                                   
         Chr: 17 May 1795    Wemyss Fife Scotland. Ref C114596 IGI                 
      Spouse: David SWINE (    -    )
    Marriage: 26 Jul 1819    Wemyss Fife Scotland. Ref M114596 IGI                 
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8 M William BURT
       Birth: 1 Apr 1797     Wemyss Fife Scotland                                   
         Chr: 9 Apr 1797     Wemyss Fife Scotland. Ref C114596 IGI                 
      Spouse: Ann (1806-    )
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9 M James BURT
       Birth: 28 Mar 1800    Wemyss Fife Scotland                                   
         Chr: 6 Apr 1800     Wemyss Fife Ref C114596 IGI                 
      Spouse: Isabella (1799-    )
    Marriage:                                                                       
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10 F Catherine BURT
       Birth: 7 Apr 1802     Wemyss Fife Scotland                                   
         Chr: 25 Apr 1802    Wemyss Fife  Ref C114596 IGI   
Richardson - St George in East/Limehouse/ Mile End. Wanstead/Woodford Essex
Stevens - Shadwell/ St George in East/ Whitechapel/ Mile End.
Wernham - St Luke/ Whitechapel/ Mile End
Chalmers - Edinburgh / Mile End Old Town
Fenton - Blandford Forum/Fordington/Dorchester, Dorset
Fox - Granville Wootton/ Minterne Magna/ Middlemarsh, Dorset
Brown(e) - Dorchester, Dorset
Divorty - Kintore Aberdeen
Burt - Wemyss, Fife
Westhorp - Harwich, Essex - Poplar, Middlesex
ROOT - Ipswich, Suffolk

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Re: BURT family from Wemyss
« Reply #1 on: Friday 18 April 08 15:44 BST (UK) »
Hi Mudlark
I have data down through John Burt and Christian Oswald to a present day farming family in Leslie - the wife there being my 5th Cousin.
A son of John and Christian ... James Burt, married a Janet Wallace in Wemyss in 1847 ... their daughter Christian Burt married a James Grieve, of one of my many Fife blood lines, in Wemyss in 1881 ... and  they had a daughter Janet Wallace Grieve in Wemyss 1890. However, as this was a sibling line originating from James Grieve's Great Grandparents Katherine Henderson/George Grieve's marriage in 1790, and I had a 'hot' smartmatch on geneconnected to follow down to Leslie, I left it there to follow James G's sister Agnes Grieve's line down to there today.

I am a Henderson as you see from the crest!
Cheers,
DDJJake
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If there is a way on Rootschat for me to send you data and images privately by e-mail attachment .... if you wish this .... please let me know how  ... I am a 'newbie' on rootschat.
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Re: BURT family from Wemyss
« Reply #2 on: Monday 28 April 08 05:31 BST (UK) »


Hello All,

I was delighted to receive a private e-mail from "Mudlark", (she has a much nicer name than that, but I won't disclose it!). She was writing about her problems with the Burt Family of Wemyss in Fife and specifically about her connection to David Burt who married Isabella Dunsire (or Dunsyre) on August 25th., 1825 at Wemyss.

I thought that she may appreciate the following, dug out of my personal files:

John BURT was born way back around the year 1651 and married a young lady by the name of Bessie Christie on the 10th of January, 1675 at Wemyss. I believe Bessie was just a few years younger than her husband, being born around 1655.

They had these children:

George BURT christened 1st October, 1677 at Wemyss, but he must have died because another George was born to Bessie a few years later in her marriage.

Janet BURT born 30th April, 1682 at Wemyss in Fife.

Isabel BURT born 13th July, 1684 at Wemyss in Fife.

George BURT christened 21st February, 1686 in Wemyss in Fife.

Bessie BURT (what a great-sounding name!) christened 8th December, 1689 in Wemyss in Fife.

On my next posting, I will show "Mudlark" what happened to George BURT - the one christened on 21st February, 1686 at Wemyss.

Kind Regards,


Tom.

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Re: BURT family from Wemyss
« Reply #3 on: Monday 28 April 08 05:49 BST (UK) »


Hello All,

I will continue with the story relating to George BURT who was christened  on the 21st of February, 1686 at Wemyss in Fife. When he was 21, he married a Margaret LAW on the 12th of December, 1707 at Wemyss.

Their children:

John BURT born 11th February, 1709 at Wemyss in Fife.
George BURT born 19th March, 1711 at Wemyss in Fife.
Margaret BURT born 17th November, 1712 at Wemyss in Fife. She went on to marry David WILSON on the 13th of September, 1735 at Wemyss.Janet Burt born 16th April, 1715 at Wemyss in Fife.
Bessie BURT born 30th April, 1717 at Wemyss in Fife.
James BURT born 28th February, 1719 at Wemyss in Fife.
Mary BURT born 30th April, 1721 at Wemyss in Fife.
David BURT born 8th May, 1723 at Wemyss in Fife.
Mary BURT born 15th March, 1725 at Wemyss in Fife.

My next posting should continue to be of significance to "Mudlark", because I will introduce the connections to the WILSON's and the DUNSYRE's.

Kind Regards,


Tom.


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Re: BURT family from Wemyss
« Reply #4 on: Monday 28 April 08 06:22 BST (UK) »


Hello All,

I have aleady mentioned that Margaret BURT, who was born on the 17th November, 1712 at Wemyss to George BURT and Margaret LAW, married David WILSON. The marriage took place at Wemyss on the 13th September, 1735 at Wemyss.
Purely as possible leads for you, and not as an exhaustive listing, they had the following children:

Margaret WILSON born 7th November, 1736 at Wemyss. She went on to marry Thomas Pittbladdo on the 19th of March, 1755 ay Wemyss.

George WILSON born 14th February, 1739 at Wemyss in Fife.

Now for the DUNSYRE connections:

George WILSON married Margaret BROWN and had the following children:

George WILSON born 25th April, 1697 at Wemyss in Fife. He went on to marry Helen DUNSYRE on the 28th of October, 1720 at Wemyss in Fife.Thomas Wilson christened 8th December, 1700 at Wemyss in Fife.
Robert WILSON christened 23rd November, 1701 at Wemyss in Fife.
Margaret WILSON christened 7th November, 1703. She went on to marry Archibald CAIRNS in August 1721 at Wemyss.
John WILSON (shown on the records as being christened 7th November, 1703 at Wemyss) too. he must have died in infancy because another John was christened in 1710.
William Wilson christened 24th 24th December, 1705 at
Wemyss. He married Helen DUNSYRE on the 15th May, 1732 at Wemyss.
James WILSON christened 9th April, 1708 at Wemyss in Fife.
John Wilson christened 5th July, 1710 at Wemyss in Fife.

I sincerely hope that all of the above will be of assistance to "Mudlark" and any other researchers working on these famileis.

Kind Regards,


Tom.

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Re: BURT family from Wemyss
« Reply #5 on: Monday 28 April 08 11:33 BST (UK) »
Hello Tom,

Thank you so much for taking my Burt family from Wemyss on
board and also for all your other help.

I will study this Burt family from the 17th century and see
if there is any way of finding a link from them to
my David Burt born around 1750.

Although I have given a John Burt and Margaret Salmond
as David's parents (in my posting), neither John nor Margaret
have been confirmed as the correct parents - so perhaps
should be disregarded for now.
This morning I found yet another pair of possible contenders
(for David's parents):

9. DAVID BURT - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Birth: 10 MAY 1849 Wemyss, Fife, Scotland 

However, the list of David Burt and Rosina Anderson's children
are confirmed, and also their children's marriage partners
(where known).

I would be delighted to hear from anyone who has a link
or can give me any further info to my Burt family
from Wemyss.

Thank you..........
Cheers for now
Chris



Hello All,

I will continue with the story relating to
George BURT who was christened  on the 21st of
February, 1686 at Wemyss in Fife.

When he was 21, he married a
Margaret LAW on the 12th of December,
1707 at Wemyss.


Their children:

John BURT born 11th February, 1709 at Wemyss in Fife.
George BURT born 19th March, 1711 at Wemyss in Fife.
Margaret BURT born 17th November
1712 at Wemyss in Fife.
She went on to marry David WILSON on the
13th of September, 1735 at Wemyss.
Janet Burt born 16th April, 1715 at
Wemyss in Fife.
Bessie BURT born 30th April, 1717
at Wemyss in Fife.
James BURT born 28th February, 1719 at Wemyss in Fife.
Mary BURT born 30th April, 1721
at Wemyss in Fife.
David BURT born 8th May, 1723
at Wemyss in Fife.
Mary BURT born 15th March, 1725
at Wemyss in Fife.

My next posting should continue to be of significance to "Mudlark",
because I will introduce the connections
to the WILSON's and the DUNSYRE's.


Kind Regards,


Tom.
Richardson - St George in East/Limehouse/ Mile End. Wanstead/Woodford Essex
Stevens - Shadwell/ St George in East/ Whitechapel/ Mile End.
Wernham - St Luke/ Whitechapel/ Mile End
Chalmers - Edinburgh / Mile End Old Town
Fenton - Blandford Forum/Fordington/Dorchester, Dorset
Fox - Granville Wootton/ Minterne Magna/ Middlemarsh, Dorset
Brown(e) - Dorchester, Dorset
Divorty - Kintore Aberdeen
Burt - Wemyss, Fife
Westhorp - Harwich, Essex - Poplar, Middlesex
ROOT - Ipswich, Suffolk

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Re: BURT family from Wemyss
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 29 April 08 10:29 BST (UK) »


Hello All,

After such a nice thank you from "Mudlark", how could I possibly not try to go that extra mile and give her a bit more help with her BURT family? In a private e-mail to her I suggested that she may want to cast her net around the towns and villages aroung the coastal areas of Fife. It is possible to see Extracted Marriage Records that tell us that the bride and bridegroom quite frequently came from different parishes. I'll give her a good example of that, and at the same time introduce her to another significant branch of the BURT family.

James BURT married an Ann (or Anna) GREIG on the 12th of November, 1736 and there are two Extracted Marriage Records that confirm that event: one at Abbotshall and one at Kinghorn.Their children:

Agnes BURT extracted cert for chr. 15th August, 1737 at Abbotshall.
Margaret BURT extracted cert for chr. 14th October, 1739 at Abbotshall.
William BURT extracted cert for birth 3rd June, 1742 at Abbotshall.
Janet BURT extracted cert for birth 3rd July, 1750 at Abbotshall.
Isabella BURT extracted cert for birth 12th March, 1753 at Abbotshall.
James BURT extracted cert for birth 7th July, 1757 at Abbotshall.

Now, old Doubting Thomas looked at James Burt, the husband of Anna Greig and thought, if he married in November 1736, is it possible that he married when he was 17 years of age? Why would I want to know that? Well, remember that posting I made about George Burt who married Margaret Law? They had a son, James Burt who was born on the 28th of February, 1719 at Wemyss, which is only about 4 miles from Abbotshall. Is it possible that their son married Anna Greig at Abbotshall? One thing that intrigued me was that the second eldest daughter of James Burt and Anna Greig was Margaret Burt who was christened on 14th October, 1739

Some of you may recall that when I wrote about the old Scots system of "naming patterns", the second eldest daughter was usually named after the mother or father's mother. Well, James Burt's mother was named Margaret Law. The thing that spoils that rather neat scenario is that the oldest son should be named after his father's father, and I see no George in their family! Still, there are quite significant gaps in the above list of children, so perhaps there are children missing from the list. Am I whistling in the wind?

Kind Regards,


Tom. 

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Re: BURT family from Wemyss
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 29 April 08 12:26 BST (UK) »
Hi Tom,

Many, many thank's for sending me all this extra information.
It will be a great help I know and I'll check this family out
as soon as possible and get back to you
(off to the dentist shortly!!).

Now, I must be getting old, because I gave details
for a David Burt in my last reply who was born in
the wrong century (1849)!! Apologies to one and
all for this bloomer!

So it's back to the drawing board - and having checked
out IGI again, I find that the David Burt born in Wemyss
in 1750 was the only contender after all, and John Burt
and Margaret Salmond are what appears to be the
only possible parents ---UNLESS, someone out there
knows otherwise.

Thanks again Tom

All the best
Chris
Richardson - St George in East/Limehouse/ Mile End. Wanstead/Woodford Essex
Stevens - Shadwell/ St George in East/ Whitechapel/ Mile End.
Wernham - St Luke/ Whitechapel/ Mile End
Chalmers - Edinburgh / Mile End Old Town
Fenton - Blandford Forum/Fordington/Dorchester, Dorset
Fox - Granville Wootton/ Minterne Magna/ Middlemarsh, Dorset
Brown(e) - Dorchester, Dorset
Divorty - Kintore Aberdeen
Burt - Wemyss, Fife
Westhorp - Harwich, Essex - Poplar, Middlesex
ROOT - Ipswich, Suffolk

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Re: BURT family from Wemyss
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 29 April 08 23:01 BST (UK) »
Hello Tom,

I'm on the trail again and have found another possible
marriage for James Burt born 1719 in Wemyss.
In this marriage below, James married Isabel Ballingal
in Wemyss - July 1740.
If this is the correct James, it would mean that he was
21 years old at the time of his marriage.

3. JAMES BURT - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Marriage: 11 JUL 1740 Wemyss, Fife, Scotland

I've also found another James Burt born 1709 in Kircaldy
who might just be a contender for the marriage that
took place between a James Burt and Ann(a) Greig in 1736.
This James was the son of Robert Burt and Margaret Wilkie
(details below).

1. ROBERT BURT - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Marriage: 10 MAY 1700 Scoonie, Fife, Scotland

Father: Robert Burt
Mother: Margaret Wilkie
Batch no. C114425

4. GEORGE BURT - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 16 SEP 1707 Kirkcaldy, Fife, Scotland

2. JAMES BURT - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 09 OCT 1709 Kirkcaldy, Fife, Scotland

5. THOMAS BURT - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 02 AUG 1713 Kirkcaldy, Fife, Scotland

It's the first time I've ever worked forwards to try and find an
ancestor, but it's certainly an interesting exercise. Will see if
I can find a some kind of family connection, I certainly
have plenty to go for here - thanks to you!

Talk again soon.
Chris




Hello All,

After such a nice thank you from "Mudlark", how could I
possibly not try to go that extra mile and give her a bit
more help with her BURT family? In a private e-mail to
her I suggested that she may want to cast her net around
the towns and villages aroung the coastal areas of Fife.
It is possible to see Extracted Marriage Records that tell
us that the bride and bridegroom quite frequently came
from different parishes. I'll give her a good example of that,
and at the same time introduce her to another significant
branch of the BURT family.

James BURT married an Ann (or Anna) GREIG
on the 12th of November, 1736
and there are
two Extracted Marriage Records that confirm that event:
one at Abbotshall and one at Kinghorn.


Their children:

Agnes BURT extracted cert for chr. 15th August, 1737 at Abbotshall.
Margaret BURT extracted cert for chr. 14th October, 1739 at Abbotshall.
William BURT extracted cert for birth
3rd June, 1742 at Abbotshall.
Janet BURT extracted cert for birth
3rd July, 1750 at Abbotshall.
Isabella BURT extracted cert for birth
12th March, 1753 at Abbotshall.
James BURT extracted cert for birth
7th July, 1757 at Abbotshall.

Now, old Doubting Thomas looked at James Burt, the husband
of Anna Greig and thought, if he married in November 1736
is it possible that he married when he was
17 years of age?
Why would I want to know that?
Well, remember that posting I made about George Burt
who married Margaret Law? They had a son,
James Burt who was born on the 28th of February, 1719
at Wemyss, which is only about 4 miles from Abbotshall.
Is it possible that their son married Anna Greig at
Abbotshall?
One thing that intrigued me was
that the second eldest daughter of James Burt
and Anna Greig was Margaret Burt who was christened
on 14th October, 1739


Some of you may recall that when I wrote about the old
Scots system of "naming patterns", the second eldest
daughter was usually named after the mother or father's
mother. Well, James Burt's mother was named Margaret
Law. The thing that spoils that rather neat scenario is that
the oldest son should be named after his father's father,
and I see no George in their family! Still, there are
quite significant gaps in the above list of children, so
perhaps there are children missing from the list.
Am I whistling in the wind?

Kind Regards,


Tom. 
Richardson - St George in East/Limehouse/ Mile End. Wanstead/Woodford Essex
Stevens - Shadwell/ St George in East/ Whitechapel/ Mile End.
Wernham - St Luke/ Whitechapel/ Mile End
Chalmers - Edinburgh / Mile End Old Town
Fenton - Blandford Forum/Fordington/Dorchester, Dorset
Fox - Granville Wootton/ Minterne Magna/ Middlemarsh, Dorset
Brown(e) - Dorchester, Dorset
Divorty - Kintore Aberdeen
Burt - Wemyss, Fife
Westhorp - Harwich, Essex - Poplar, Middlesex
ROOT - Ipswich, Suffolk