TREASE/TRAIES continued...

[cdaikoff]

I found the Trease family tree website. I believe my family is descended from a Trayes on the Research tab.

I believe I can fill the gap after 1841 for Mary Trayes.

Mary Trayes (1814 - born a twin), daughter of William and Elizabeth Trayes nee Bate, grdaughter of John and Margaret Trayes nee Lang.

Mary married John Runnalls. The 1841 Census (Cornwall, England) lists John as a shoemaker and they have 3 children, Jane, John and Elizabeth.

The 1851 Census (Canada West) lists John as Ronalds. He is a shoemaker, has a wife Mary and his 3 oldest children are Jane, John and Elizabeth. The ages match.

The 1861 Census (Canada West) lists John and family once again as Runnalls. He is now a farmer.

Several of Mary's children have documents listing their mother as Mary Trayes.

Mary died in Ontario and is buried in St. George's Anglican Church Cemetery, Grafton.

While I believe I have the right Trayes family now to follow up on I am unsure about going back with the Runnalls.

[gardenerbob]

Thanks for your message. Pleased that this Rootschat thread together with the website was of some use. The website contains the results of years of research including much that was kindly contributed via Rootschat members - quite a bit on this thread alone!

Do you know John RUNNALLS date of birth? For the purpose of the UK 1841 census, ages over 15 were rounded down to the nearest 5 years so John's age of 35 should, strictly speaking, be in the range 35 to 39 but it is often wrong. The Canadian census return and death record may help identify his correct age. There are quite a lot of the RUNNALLS family in the St Breward area of Cornwall including at least one other shoemaker.

Regards, Bob

[cdaikoff]

For John Runnalls
From transcribed list of births/baptisms from St. Brewards Parish Clerk Office - Feb. 13, 1809 mother Jane, father John
1841 Cornwall age 30
1851 (which was actually taken in January of 1852) Northumberland, Canada West age 42
1861 Northumberland, Canada West age 51
1871 Northumberland County Ontario age 64
Death record   January 10, 1873  age 67     headstone January 10, 1873  age 68

The Canadian records are definitely all the same family - other family records confirm information and several family members are buried together.

I found a St. Breward record for John Runnalls b 1804 mother Ann, but he may have died in St. Breward at age 80 in 1884.
I found a St. Breward record for John Runnalls b 1811 parents Robert and Elizabeth but he appears to have died at age 4 in 1815.
I found a St. Breward record for John Runnalls b 1809 - I'm thinking maybe he is the one I want. It seems it might fit the 1841 - 61 Census records .... he seems to have added years toward the end of his life 
The added years toward the end of his life have made me hesitant to follow the 1809 John.

Thanks for your response, I appreciate any advice you could give me on following the St. Breward Runnalls.

[gardenerbob]

Sometimes there is a pattern in the naming of children after parents, grandparents etc. Might provide a pointer but not proof. The St Breward baptisms register seems missing for the years we want which may mess up investigating naming patterns for children.  I'll see if I can come up with some other ideas and get back to you.

[gardenerbob]

All I can suggest is to investigate the family of John & Jane and look for evidence to support or disprove that this John is the right one. Using the Cornwall OPC database (which lacks Baptisms & Burials  1833 - 1849, & marriages 1767 - 1807) and the Cornwall on-line census transcriptions we can get off to a quick start with : -

Baptisms of John & Jane's children in St Breward : -
1807 William   1809 John   1811 Archelaus   1813 Mary   1816 Ann   1818 Elizabeth
1821 Thomas   1823 Susanna   1827 Philippa
From 1813 onward John's occupation is shown as Carpenter and from 1816 his residence as  "Irish".

A later baptism of a s/o a John & Jane gives: -
   ? 1832   William      Labourer   Residence: Rowe

I think these are the parents in the 1841 Census. Irish 1, St Breward
   John     60 Carpenter   b. CON
   Jane     50 b. CON
   Hercules 26 b. CON (Archelaus?)
   Susan    18 b. CON
   Philippa 14 b. CON

Brother Archelaus, what a great name for researchers!, appears to have married elsewhere but was buried in St Breward : -
   m. 22Sep1849 Bolventor. Archelaus Hoskin RUNNELLS, Carpenter full age, signs, and Jenefer BRAY of Codda, marks
   i. 29Oct1894 St Breward. Archelaus Hoskin RUNNALLS age 84 of Treworgie, Blisland.
The middle name of HOSKIN almost certainly refers to a close relative possibly his mother. If that reoccurs in any of John's Canadian family that could be a strong indication of Archelaus being closely related to John.

I'll continue "Digging around" and see what I can come up with.

[gardenerbob]

The name Archelaus is so unusual. I've just found the following which I think I think must be connected.

1802 Administration of Archelaus HOSKEN  yeoman of St Breward (Cornwall Record Office AP/H/7109)
1887 Will of Archelaus RUNNALLS of Blisland (Cornwall Records Office  PT/14/2/56)

The last is almost certainly the Archelaus who was buried St Breward 1894. 1887 may be the date he made his Will.

My hunch is that June the mother of Archelaus and wife of John RUNNALLS could be a daughter of Archelaus HOSKEN of St Breward. It is a shame he died without leaving a Will (purely an administration) and before his possible daughter's likely marriage date of 1806/7 as a Will may have named her and possibly children as beneficiaries. Still - keep looking.

[cdaikoff]

Thanks, that's great information for me to work on.
Ellen Runnalls, Mary's daughter, is my direct ancestor. She married a McMurray and I have been following that line with considerable success. I have not run across a Hoskin, but I haven't gone sideways from Ellen other than to know her brothers' and sisters' names - and we found most of their gravesites. I will investigate her siblings records and see what I can turn up.

[gardenerbob]

I spotted the following St Breward records: -
c. 15May1741 St Breward. Hercules HOSKYN s/o John & Jane
c. 17Aug1783 St Breward. Jane HOSKEN d/o Hercules and Philippa

Apparently Archelaus/Hercules were interchangeable at that time. Jane's age when William RUNNALS was baptised would have been about 24 so she was the appropriate age for marriage.
The circumstantial evidence that Jane HOSKEN c. 1783 is the mother Jane of John & Jane RUNNALLS is quite good: -
They named a son Archelaus Hosken RUNNALS after her father and a daughter Philippa possibly after her mother. She was the right age for marriage.
Interestingly I have not found any other baptisms for Hercules and Philippa so she may have been their only daughter.
I've tracked down all the census returns for Archelaus RUNNALLS until his death - they are easily found on the Cornwall On-Line Census database which covers until 1891 and has free searchable access but you can't see the original entries.
I'll continue to have a look at the other sons/daughters to see if we can glean any other information about the family.

[gardenerbob]

I have added to the website some data about the Runnalls family. You can find on this link: -
http://www.trease.org.uk/trr/trr15j_fb.htm#19jr_m

There is no doubt in my mind that you have found the correct parents. John's brother Thomas seems to have emigrated to the same area of Canada before John,  and sister Philippa also seems to have emigrated in the 1840s. Philipppa's son Charles Wilton witnesses the marriage of one of Thomas's daughters. The ages of Thomas and Philippa exactly match the baptism dates. Thomas's daughter even names one of her sons Archelaus. John Runnalls sells some land to Thomas Runnalls in the 1850s etc etc.

I notice that research exists for some Canadian families descended from John's Runnalls sister Philippa so  it may be beneficial for you to contact them. It is possible worth opening another Rootschat thread to share data with the other RUNNALLS researchers. There may well be other siblings of John's who also emigrated - I certainly haven't looked that far.

Many thanks for letting me know what happened to Mary Trays. If there is other information about her that I could have that is not on the website I would appreciate it.

Many thanks, Bob