TREASE/TRAIES continued...

[kerryb]

Morning Deb

Every so often I do another search for Hannah unknown, wife of James.  At least I now have her burial in 1818 but a marriage would be wonderful!!!! LOL

Bob whereabouts on Ancestry did you find the Devon and Exeter militia list, I can't find them anywhere??

Kerry

[kerryb]

Can anyone confirm that the Sarah Ann Traies who died 6 March 1904 was the widow of Henry Traies (nee Ovens)?

I ask because the probate calendar mentions she left probate to Eliza Traies wife of Charles Emanuel Traies and they appear in another part of the tree???

Kerry

[kerryb]

OOOH now here's an interesting one!

Just doing some lateral thinking searching for our missing baptisms of James's children and found the following

James Stephen Taries baptised 6 June 1817 to James and Hannah at St Leonards Shoreditch

Now my geography of London is not that good but Hannah was buried at St Dunstans, Stepney 1818 and James married Ann Sutton (we think) in Hackney.  So what do you think?

Also on James jnr military papers he has his place of birth as Mile End but I am not sure whereabouts that is?

Kerry

[kerryb]

Another question!

Deleted - just found the answer back on page 22.


Kerry

[gardenerbob]

Dear Kerry,

Working through your queries ....

The latest tree based shows Charles Emmanuel Traies was the son of Henry and Sarah Traies nee Ovens, and that his wife was probably nee Reed.
http://www.trease.org.uk/traies/txt/txt17s_ec.htm#20h_so
Charles may have been an undischarged bankrupt when his mother died and that may account for why she made her daughter in law executor. There may have been an earlier version of the tree that shows something different. I remember doing several changes to the Traies trees as more information came to light.

The Ancestry reference to the 1803 Exeter Militia List appeared when I was looking for something totally different using the Ancestry facility at my local library. It appeared sandwiched between burial and will references. I can't remember whether I had entered a special collection - I certainly was not looking at military collections so it is not under military.  I'll see if I can reproduce it next week when the library is open.

More to follow...

Bob

[kerryb]

Excellent that confirms the death of Sarah (nee Ovens) then. 6 March 1904 at 43 Seaford Road, West Ealing, Middlesex. 

Kerry 

[deb usa]

Hi Kerry

errrr  ...re James and Hannah ...when were they supposed to have been married? or when was first child born?

deb

[kerryb]

First child, Jane  born 1809 in St Pancras.

Kerry

[kerryb]

Morning all

bob
I've been checking out the first marriage of Elizabeth Traies (nee Michel) today to John Roberts and these are the records I have found for possible children: (LMA records on Ancestry)

Caroline Elizabeth Roberts
born 4 August 1823, bpt 28 September 1823
Weymouth Street, Whipmaker

Henry Stephen Roberts
born 11 March 1826, bpt 2 July 1826
Weymouth Street, Whipmaker

Elizabeth Caroline Roberts
born 29 October 1828, bpt 21 December 1828
East Lane, Whipmaker

This one I don't think is one of theirs
Emma Roberts
born 24 October 1823, bpt 9 October 1825
Hill Street, Walworth, Painter

Also the following I really don't think is one of their children
Maria Hannah roberts
born 28 November 1829, bpt 30 June 1837
North Street, Labourer to John and Ann

I don't think it is one of theirs because in 1837 Elizabeth would have been baptising her second child to Samuel so why go back to the place of her first marriage and give totally different details, presumably Samuel took on the children so why not baptise with baby Emma, come to that why not have had Maria baptised with first son Charles born 1832!

Also different occupation and address.

I think the letter of 1873 referring to Mary Annie could have been referring to her and Samuel's daughter Hannah Caroline, who so far has been registered under the following names

Hannah Caroline - birth certificate
Hannah Louisa - baptism record
Annie Hannah - marriage certificate
Hannah - 1851/61 census

Sorry!

I will now look for a burial for the first child Caroline Elizabeth and I also think he Eliza age 12 with Samuel and Elizabeth on 1841 census must have been Elizabeth Caroline.

Kerry