TREASE/TRAIES continued...

[gardenerbob]

Hi Chris,

Just getting up to speed with the posts on Mary Trays (widow?) who married John Martin (soldier?) on 3Jan1797 at St Davids, Exeter. Joseph Traies who married Mary Lake in 1786 was a soldier - we know this because he is described as such in his Uncle's will.  There is also the birth of a Mary Ann Martin Lake in 1812 to another member of the Lake Family in the Exeter area.

I am trying to get my head around the facts. As far as I can see Mary and John Martin had 4 children - Mary 1799, John 1801, Ann 1803, and Charlotte 1806.  The Mary Ann Martin born 25 June 1823 and who died 10 September 1823 was almost certainly the child of John Martin who married Mary Phillips on 2Apr1823.

The John Martin who married in 1823 was presumably the son of John and  Mary Trays so John and Mary Trays had children for 7 years only.

The 1841 census implied age appears to rule out Mary Trays being the widow of Joseph.

There are Martin connections with other Trays families which are not on the website. Mary Trayes has to fit in somewhere.

All for now - just some first thoughts.

Bob

Hello m'dears,

Back again after being memerised by all the John Martins and Marys !!!

The 1821 will is that of John Martin's father, very simple just naming his sons, no wives mentioned.

Deb suggested this couple,

The nearest Mary Traies I can find is born circa 1764 Crediton d/o William and Mary ...next one is born 1787 ...none in 1774, 

but she married William Jackman and mention in the will of  her father,William Traies 1812.


I found the orignal entry for the marriage 3 Jan 1797, and though very hard to read it looks like widow and soldier.

I have found this marriage:

Joseph Traies marr. Mary Lake 25 Dec 1786 in Exeter St. Sidwell.

There are 3 possibles for Mary:
dau. of John and Mary Lake chr. 21 Nov 1767, Shobrook
dau. of John and Joan Lake chr. 16 Mar 1763, Throwleigh
dau. of John and Eliz. Lake chr. 8 Dec 1763 Bow, Mint Meeting Exeter

This does not quite tie in with her age [b. abt 1774] on the 1841 census, but that can be very variable I understand.

I think perhaps ? Joseph Traies was the son of Samuel Trease and Elizabeth chr. 28 Apr 1761 St Peter, Exeter Cathedral.

Sadly no burials of the above yet, more work to do. Poughill burials still with church, and currently working through the Exeter parishes in Exeter Studies Library .

Sadly this new research takes the Traies family out of my son's direct lines.
But I want to thank you all most sincerely for all your time and interest and pointing me in the right direction.

If I can help with anything from Exeter RO and the libaray please just shout.

Best wishes, Chris.

[gardenerbob]

Tried to find another possible Mary Trays without success. Tend to agree with the view that she was probably the widow of Joseph Traies. Have updated the website with the additional information:-
http://www.trease.org.uk/traies/txt/txt17s_ec.htm#18j_ml

Would be interested to know the true parents of Mary Lake, if they ever are discovered or anything else about her.

Bob

[kerryb]

Hi guys

I haven't touched the Traies for months but with the launch of the LMA records on Ancestry I am having a relook.

Haven't found any answers to the burning questions yet like who was Hannah and where are the baptisms of James, Henry and their sisters

but I have found a curious one.  You know the marriage of James Traies and Ann Sutton in 1818 well the banns say John Traies.

Do we know of a John Traies that would fit and would this mean our James did not marry Ann Sutton, after all its the wrong area.

Kerry

[deb usa]

Hi Kerry

One of the first things I looked for was the marriages of James Traies   ...I also noticed Ann Sutton to a James and a John Traies. Couldn't find a Hannah 

will look again....How great to have the records!!!!

deb

[kerryb]

I managed to find various baptisms and marriages for some of James's grandchildren. 

It is great! 

Kerry

[oldmanriver]

Hi Kerry and others

Like you I have not tried to do any further work on the TRAIES family and had seemed to have come to a halt.

However, I had completely forgotten that some of the LMA archives were now on-line, so many thanks for that, Kerry.

I know you will be glad to know, that through looking through these records, I think I have now found the death of Hannah TRAIES and am convinced that it was 'our' James TRAIES that who married Ann HUTTON.  As it is ages since there was much activity on this site, perhaps it is just as well to briefly re-cap.

Baptisms of some of the early children of James TRAIES and Hannah were in Marylebone.  However, their son James, born in 1816,gave Stratford le Bow as place of birth on his documents when enlisting as a soldier and Mile End on a census return.  We discovered that a James TRAIES had married Ann SUTTON at St. John's, Hackney in 1818.  We had no proof that  this was the same James TRAIES.  Stratford le Bow was very close to Mile End Road and Mile End Road seemed to have been the boundary between the parishes of Hackney and Stepney.

After searches the indexes now available from the LMA I discovered that a Hannah TRAISE had been buried at St. Dunstan's, Stepney on 8th March 1818.  She was 39 years old.  The abode is give as MEOT which I believe means Mile End Old Town.

What is surprises me is the speed in which he married his many wives!  Hannah died 8th March 1818.  He married Ann SUTTON 18th October 1818.  I do not know when Ann SUTTON died but 8th March 1831 he marrried Martha LOOKER, both these marriages having taken place in ST. John's Hackney.  Martha died 2 September 1842 in Greyhound Row, Kensington.  He married Jane BERRY 13 November 1842.  Jane died in the June quarter 1856.  He then married Mary JONES 7 JUne 1857.  She died in the Dec quarter 1861 and as far as I know was his last wife.  Maybe no-one else was prepared to take him on - to lose six wives must have looked rather suspicious!

It was good to find Hannah and I will carry on looking for anyone else.

Best wishes
Bernice

[oldmanriver]

Apologies for the many grammatical errors in previous e-mail and saying Ann HUTTON in one place and not Ann SUTTON!  I hope you can understand what I was trying to explain.

Bernice

[kerryb]

Hi Bernice

I did a search for Hannah Traies yesterday and didn't come up with anything, I will try again at St Dunstans.  Thank you.

Now all we need is the baptisms of James later children to see who their mother was.

Kerry

[gardenerbob]

Hi,

I remember posting links to the James Traies signatures on the Sutton and Looker marriage entries. They looked the same but James was described as bachelor on the Sutton entry. When Kerry said he was named John on the banns for the Sutton marriage I feared some subterfuge was going on - am relieved that Hannah's burial has been found.

It seems that Hannah was about 5 years older than James so would have been about 30 at time of baptism of first child found so far.This is older than I expected and I suppose it opens up possibility she may have been a widow.

Have added burial details to website - it is all we have on Hannah. Have done no more on TRAIES research recently - busy documenting TREISE and TRAISE families - more soldiers, at least one musician a bandleader, plus links with artists.

Regards,

Bob