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Re: TREASE/TRAIES continued...
« Reply #252 on: Sunday 14 December 08 11:03 GMT (UK) »
Kerry,

Have updated site again. While doing it I suddenly realised that the Elizabeth Traies mentioned in my post below was almost certainly the wife of James's son Samuel b 1810.
My post of 24th November
2. Elizabeth TRAIES (allegedly signed that way) who witnesses two marriages at the church of St Matthew Bethnal Green on 27Jul1834 – John LAKE & Jane Welch TUCKER and Mary Ann TUCKER & Robert Francis SCAIF.  John LAKE and his wife subsequently named a daughter born in Southwark Mar Q 1847 Elizabeth Trayes LAKE. It could just be a coincidence but James’s uncle Joseph TRAIES was like his brother William (whom we now know had links to this part of London) a soldier and his wife’s maiden name was Mary LAKE and his family seem to disappear leaving no trace.

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« Reply #253 on: Sunday 14 December 08 14:04 GMT (UK) »
Thanks Bob

Its these little snippets of information that make it really interesting. 

Kerry
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« Reply #254 on: Sunday 14 December 08 18:22 GMT (UK) »
Kerry,

When I next get to LMA I'll compare the Elizabeth Roberts signature on the 1830 marriage register with the Elizabeth Traies on the 1834 marriage register.

Bob

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« Reply #255 on: Sunday 11 January 09 16:50 GMT (UK) »
Hi guys

Doing a bit of Sunday afternoon surfing and came across a will dated 1840 for a Miss Ann Roffe of tunbridge Wells daughter of John and Jane Roffe on http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~engsurry/ken.htm

Bit far removed from the Traies but I don't know whether those with connections to Roffes know if she fits in and whether they have this will.

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« Reply #256 on: Tuesday 13 January 09 14:03 GMT (UK) »
Hello Kerry

Thanks for that.  I had looked at the Surrey Wills site but had overlooked the will of Miss Ann ROFFE which you have now come across.

As you say, not of importance to the TRAIES side but quite useful to Sigplat and myself who are also connected to the ROFFE family.  (Brothers George and William Henry ROFFE had married two of the daughters of James TRAIES).

George and William Henry were two of three known children of John and Jane ROFFE of Tunbridge Wells.  Sigplat was able to tell me that a John ROFFE and Jane SIMMONS had married in 1802 and John had been a widower on marriage.  The eldest of their three known children was born in 1813 and we thought they could well have had other children as a nine year gap between marriage and first child was unusual. 

An earlier marriage of a John ROFFE had taken place in 1785 and produced four known children including a Hannah.  After reading the will that you found it now looks as if this first marriage also produced an (up to now unknown) Ann ROFFE who was the person who died in 1840 and whose will you discovered.

The will mentions her sister Hannah as well as her father John ROFFE and her mother in law, Jane.  The term Mother in law in those times was usually applied to someone that we would today call a step mother.  (By law once her father had remarried his new wife had become Ann's mother).  This would seem to prove that the two marriages found were indeed for the same John ROFFE, making Ann ROFFE (the testator) the step sister of the ROFFE brothers who married into the TRAIES family.

Many thanks for posting that.

Bernice

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« Reply #257 on: Tuesday 13 January 09 14:12 GMT (UK) »
Glad it was helpful to you.  Its amazing what you can find on a boring afternoon sometimes.

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« Reply #258 on: Tuesday 13 January 09 16:24 GMT (UK) »
Hi all

This is a reference I found when just browsing sometime before Christmas.

I don't know who it refers to but someone may know!

William TRAIES 16 January 1908 age 50.  Burial 113386, Section L07 Index No 5S08.
(Abney Park Cemetary Trust, Hackney)

According to the free BMD site it would seem to refer to a death registered in March 1908 at Holborn Registration district and to a birth registered in March 1857 at St. Luke, Chelsea RD.

Any use to anyone?

Bernice

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« Reply #259 on: Tuesday 13 January 09 17:34 GMT (UK) »
Hi Bernice,

The William Traies in your post is the William Traies listed at the end of Deb's post no 238. He married Emma Bradshaw in 1884.  He was as you can see from that post a Hackney carriage driver - seemingly appropriate for a person from Hackney! He is somewhat distantly related to James Traies according to the trees so far constructed.

Strangely his birth and baptism details are on IGI despite being as late as 1857.

Thanks for the information.

Bob




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« Reply #260 on: Tuesday 17 March 09 17:44 GMT (UK) »
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