TREASE/TRAIES continued...

[oldmanriver]

Hi Deb

You certainly seem to be back on the 'trail of the TRAIES' again!

Just a bit of background information for you, although nothing to do with TRAIES.  You found Martha TRAIES at 146, Old Street, 'Hall of Science' in 1891 and seemed a bit surprised at this address.

Yes, the 'Hall of Science' was quite well known at that time.  I remember coming across it sometime ago in connection with a play about Annie BESSANT and the Matchgirls Strike of Bryant and May of 1888 in the East End.  (You may have already heard about this).  This was really at the start of the 'Women's Rights Movement' and Annie BESSANT was their strong supporter.   This Hall was where  Annie Bessant spoke to rally support for the girls on strike.  At least one of the scenes in the play took place in the 'Hall of Science'.  Eventually the Match Girls won their case.

Presumably, the Hall was on the bottom floor of the building with apartments above and this is where Martha TRAIES must have lived.

To All -

I don't expect to post any more messages on this site until the New Year.   - like many I am rather behind with Christmas preparations and have lots of letters still to write!  Also, the choir I belong to have a lot of engagements in the run-up to Christmas and the family (including Daniel age 5 and Maria age 3) will be here for about a week at Christmas so it is a busy time.  I will check the site occasionally though and I wish you all a very Happy Christmas and a Healthy and Peaceful New Year.

Best Wishes

Bernice
Bernice

[gardenerbob]

Bernice,

I remember reading about the Bryant and May stirike. Something about "Fossie" jaw and poisoning by phosphorus. This sort of background information is absolutely fascinating.

Have a good Xmas/New Year break,

Bob

Deb,

I have been out of action for a few days. I am going to try and catch up with you over the next day or so.  I must be half a dozen emails behind.  It is interesting you are finding TRAICE and TRAVIS as common census mistranscriptions in the London area. This may also happen on IGI and other sources. I am going to have another look at TRAIS and see if there are any other Devon/Cornwall possibilities.

Bob

[kerryb]

All Trease/Traies researchers have a great Christmas from me too 

Bernice enjoy the family festivities.

Kerry 

[kerryb]

Bob

Have been updating my Traies family and don't know if you want to add the following to your page on Traies family re Emma daughter of Samuel and Elizabeth Michel.

1841 census - H0107 705 3 13, age 5 with Samuel and Elizabeth
1851 census - H0107 15 6 Ray Street, age 14 with Samuel and Elizabeth
1871 census - RG10 444 64 age 35, Bristow Street
1881 census - RG11 388 age 44, Bristow Street
1891 census - RG12 246 58 age 58, Murray Street

Her ages seem a bit all over the place and I never managed to find 1861 census for her and James.

She died 30 Jun 1900 at Shoreditch Infirmary of Osteo Arthritis Aethemia cert obtained Dec 2007

Any other information you would like let me know.

Kerry

[kerryb]

Her children were as follows

Jane elizabeth Turner, born 1860 in Shoreditch and baptised 22 Aug 1869 in Hoxton (IGI) I have birth certificate
Emily Eliza Turner, born 1862 in Shoreditch and baptised with Jane on 22 Aug 1869 at Hoxton.
Again I have birth certificate
Anne Turner born 1865
Laura Turner born 1867
both according to census returns
Eleanor Kate Turner born 1876
George James Turner born 1876, twins born in Shoreditch, I have birth certificates
Henry Turner born 1878 according to census return

Kerry

[deb usa]

Hi Kerry

have been looking for them in 1861

There is a James Edw. Turner 23 with and Emma Turner aged 23 but I am sure you have seen them ...with a visitor Louisa .... no sign of first born so ...not them.

will look some more

deb

[kerryb]

Hi Deb

I think I have disregarded that one because of her place of birth, there is a possibility of Emma and Jane as visitors somewhere that I found once, but have never been able to find James at all.

Kerry

[gardenerbob]

Kerry,

Have added the children to the website. Have you the DOB of the twins Eleanor & George to hand?

Deb,

Have now updated other tree with the census info you found.

Bob

[kerryb]

Hi bob

Yes, sorry should have checked the birth certificates.

21 December 1875, at 4a Bristow Street, Shoreditch and dad was foreman in a Sawmill.

Kerry