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Re: TREASE/TRAIES continued...
« Reply #234 on: Friday 05 December 08 14:20 GMT (UK) »
Hello,

William the soldier again! I take back what I wrote in my last post.

Deb’s TRAIES mistranscriptions set me thinking to search National Archives using the most common mistranscriptions that Deb finds.  I keyed in the most common one I could think of first  - FRAIES - and hey presto William the soldier pops up again -  first item in the list:-
WO121/184
WILLIAM FRAIES Born [Not Known] Served in 28th Foot Regiment Discharged aged [Not Known] Original certificate of discharge missing. Residence or place where pension paid stated in document. See film image (Part 2) 200 . WILLIAM FRAIES Born [Not Known Date: 1819.
The 1819 date implies he may have been alive until then. Could be another confusing document to transcribe here.

Have a feeling there may be more of these.

Bob





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Re: TREASE/TRAIES continued...
« Reply #235 on: Friday 05 December 08 14:48 GMT (UK) »
Excellent news Bob and I just wonder if I go back through all the websites I have ever searched for Fraies, Praies etc etc etc whether I would find more Traies ::)

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Searching for my family - Baldwin - Sussex, Middlesex, Cork, Pilbeam - Sussex, Harmer - Sussex, Terry - Surrey, Kent, Rhoades - Lincs, Roffey - Surrey, Traies - Devon & Middlesex & many many more to be found on my website ....

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« Reply #236 on: Friday 05 December 08 16:26 GMT (UK) »
Hello Bob

Do you think the reason the original certificate was missing was because on the certificate of 1797 the name was spelt TRAISE and had been filed somewhere under the letter 'T'.  In your latest find of him under FRAIES presumably they had looked for the original under the letter 'F' so did not find it.  It would certainly seem that he and William TRAISE (TRAIES) were the same person.

By the way, have you come across a reference to a Henry William TRAIS, whose will reference indicates he died at Pentonville, Middlesex in 1820.  Do you have or have you seen this will, or do you already know who Henry William was?

Deb - Nice to see you back.  With so many different spellings and all the different families, it is hard to keep track of who's who.  It's a good job that you and Bob manage to keep track of the overall picture!

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Re: TREASE/TRAIES continued...
« Reply #237 on: Friday 05 December 08 18:31 GMT (UK) »
Dear Bernice,

Re William FRAIES - the wrongly indexed name could certainly account for the failure to link up with the other records.  Reckon odds are it is our William.

The Henry William TRAIS will you mention is interesting. His wife's daughter married Charles Grimes the finder of the Yarra river in Australia - there is a bridge in Melbourne named after him. I can't find out where Henry William TRAIS and his father fit in if anywhere but the surname looks suspiciously like one of the West Country TR**S lot.

I have transcribed his and his father's will - you will find them on this link:-
http://www.trease.org.uk/traies/txr/trais_wills.htm

I probably ought to contact some Aussie historian - they may be interested in the passing reference to Charles Grimes and are possibly not aware of this Will, but I don't think it really adds anything of importance.

Gardener Bob (even less gardening at moment)


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Re: TREASE/TRAIES continued...
« Reply #238 on: Monday 08 December 08 13:26 GMT (UK) »

Hi all

After a few days off-line ...I have come back to the Traies for a 'search' fix LOL

re : George Traies bc 1814 Crediton

more gaps

George Traies 1814 crediton = Martha Holigrove

1861..transcribed as TRAVIS
St Lukes
Lambeth? Passage
George Traies head mar 47 b Devon Creader (sic)
Matha wife 43 b ditto
Ann Tremblen/tremblett?? wid visitor 73 b ditto
Elizabeth Traies dau 7 b st Lukes
George Traies son 5 b ditto
William Traies 4 b ditto
 RG9/209 53 19



added ...oops didn't mean to post ... had not finished finding them ...will add more later ...dinner time :)

deb

1871...transcribed as KAIER    ;D ;D

St Giles Cripplegate
15 Haberdasher Sq?
George Traies head mar 57 feltmaker b Devonshire
Martha wife 55 laundress b Ditto
Elizabeth A dau 23/8? Fancy box making b Cripplegate
William son 14 errand boy b ditto
RG10/419 31 55
Can't see George, their son in 1871

1881...transcribed as TRAVIS
15 Haberdasher sq
Martha Traies head wid 63 annuitant b Crediton
William son 24 unm dealer in oilcloth/manuf. b St Lukes

1891.....transcribed as TRAICE
St Luke, Finsbury
146 Old street
Hall of Science ..... yep that's what it says !
Martha Traice head wid 74 b Cridington (sic) Devon ..transcibed as Tredington
RG12/234 69 5

also in 1891 ..transcribed as GRAIES
St Lukes
?? D Block
William Traies head mar 34 Hackney Carriage driver b St Lukes
Emma wife 34 b London ??
Maud dau 4 b Hackney
William ? son 2 b St Lukes
Alfred C son 15 months b St Lukes = Nellie A Hyde Sept q 1922, Islington
(the page is rather difficult to read!)
RG12/234 88 43

 :D :D :D

Yes ...this is most probably the most mistranscribed name in the world !!!!

deb
Travellers = Penfold, Orchard, James
Devon = Middleton,  Waterfield, Adams, Clark/e, Gould
Cornwall = Palmer, Carnarton, Slack/Smith. Morris/h
Wales, New Quay = James, Evans


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Re: TREASE/TRAIES continued...
« Reply #239 on: Monday 08 December 08 14:33 GMT (UK) »

The Henry William TRAIS will you mention is interesting. His wife's daughter married Charles Grimes the finder of the Yarra river in Australia - there is a bridge in Melbourne named after him. I can't find out where Henry William TRAIS and his father fit in if anywhere but the surname looks suspiciously like one of the West Country TR**S lot.

I have transcribed his and his father's will
- you will find them on this link:-
http://www.trease.org.uk/traies/txr/trais_wills.htm



Bob ...you mentioned that you could not find Mary Atkinson (mother of Cassandra Grimes nee Atkinson), her marriages

on Pallot's we find:
Mary Atkinson = Henry Trais
1809 Holborn St Andrew


Henry married her the year before his dad died.

deb
 

added ...found this on pallots ...no idea if it relates

John Atkinson = Mary Holdsworth
 1804 Addingham 

 
Travellers = Penfold, Orchard, James
Devon = Middleton,  Waterfield, Adams, Clark/e, Gould
Cornwall = Palmer, Carnarton, Slack/Smith. Morris/h
Wales, New Quay = James, Evans


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« Reply #240 on: Monday 08 December 08 15:34 GMT (UK) »
Hi again

Bob ...I see Charles Grimes in 1851 living in Gravesend ..he has an unmarried daughter with him ...Cassandria Underwood, b JERSEY

In 1853 CAssandra Underwood = John Joynes
Cassandra Underwood
Sept q 1853
Gravesend , Kent
2a  355 

I am trying to figure out what Mary Atkinson/Traies maiden name was. I feel that Henry William Trais' aunt, Rachel HOLDSWORTH, holds a clue as to his ancestry...Holdsworth seems to be mainly a Yorkshire name ...

going round in circles here ...but having fun

deb  :D
Travellers = Penfold, Orchard, James
Devon = Middleton,  Waterfield, Adams, Clark/e, Gould
Cornwall = Palmer, Carnarton, Slack/Smith. Morris/h
Wales, New Quay = James, Evans


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« Reply #241 on: Monday 08 December 08 19:23 GMT (UK) »
Hi all

Re. William TRAIES of Powell Street, buried Bunhill Fields Burial Ground.

Kerry wanted to know which family he belonged to and Bob asked where is Powell Street.  I don't know which family he belonged to, but I have now been able to locate Powell Street.

Try going to www.archivemaps.com.  Near the top of the page you will see London Maps printed.  Click on this and up comes a variety of interesting maps of London.  Click on the one called 'Mogg's Strangers Guide to London 1834'.  There is a street index which tells you which section you need to click to locate the street you require.  Powell Street is listed as Section E1.  Look for a small green square called Kings Square and just below it is Powell Street.  Powell Street  leads into City Road.

Bunhill Row is on Section E2 of the map.  Bunhill Fields Burial Ground is on land that stretched from Bunhill Row to City Road, so was very close to where little William TRAIES had lived.  I think Powell Street would have come under the parish of St. Luke's, Old Street.

Bunhill Fields has a very interesting history and was originally called Tindals Burying ground - some early maps still use this name.  I first became interested in Bunhill Fields when I discovered three of my own ancestors had been  buried there in the early 1800's.

On the same site that I used to find Powell Street in 1834, other maps and plans are available.  One that may be of interest to Kerry, is St. Marylebone church in 1829.  Just click on it and it a good picture of the church and surrounding area at that time comes up - sadly it doesn't help us to find those missing baptisms though!  However, we do know that this was where 'your' Samuel and 'my husband's' Ann TRAIES were christened.


Hi guys ...

Just noticed this reference to Old Street, St Luke

this is what I had found this morning ...not sure if it relates but thpought I would mention it ;

1891.....transcribed as TRAICE
St Luke, Finsbury
146 Old street
Hall of Science ..... yep that's what it says !
Martha Traice head wid 74 b Cridington (sic) Devon ..transcibed as Tredington
RG12/234 69 5

the above is Martha nee Holigrove = George Traies

deb

added ...I also noticed on the map that E2 Old street crosses Golden Lane
quote from Bob:
'The 1851 census entry for George Traies references Golden Lane which rings a bell – the previous references are in fact burial records :-
Susan TREAYS buried at Golden Lane 12Srep1852 age 71 Address Caroline Place Goswell Street
Ann TRAIS buried 20th June 1852 Golden Lane age 84 so born about 1768 AAD 10 Cherry Tree Court White Cross Lane"


  Now George Traies/Trees b c 1814 (s/o John Traies and Ann Popham)lives in Golden Lane in 1851..he is unm
he marries Martha Holigrove and they have kids
1861 living at Lambeth Passage
1871 & 1881 Haberdasher Sq
1881 Martha back to Old Street

i wonder if the Young William who died in Powell street is connected to the above George. Could he be George's brother? that doesn't make sense ...sorry! Also George and his family were still in Devon in 1841. Back to the drawing board .

deb

Travellers = Penfold, Orchard, James
Devon = Middleton,  Waterfield, Adams, Clark/e, Gould
Cornwall = Palmer, Carnarton, Slack/Smith. Morris/h
Wales, New Quay = James, Evans


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Re: TREASE/TRAIES continued...
« Reply #242 on: Monday 08 December 08 22:20 GMT (UK) »
re:
Hannah TRAIES
1791   c. 24Aug1791 Crediton, Devon.  daur John and Hannah TRAIES
m1. 24Dec1811 Crediton, Devon. Hannah TRAIES and Edmund DRAKE
 m2. 12Apr1818 Crediton, Devon. Hannah DRAKE and William LEGG
?1851   census   Hannah Legg, Widow on Poor Relief, age 64, in Crediton during 1851

1841
Crediton
Paradise  :)
Hannah LEGGE 50 weaver serge? Y
William Legge 14 app Y
so did Hannah Traies/Drake/Legge have a son?

1851
crediton
High st
hannah Legg head wid parish relief b Crediton
William son mar24 cordwainder(sic) b Crediton
Susan d-i-l 24 dressmaker b Silverton
Eliza gr dau 1 b Silverton

there is a William Legg = Susan Vickery 1849 Exeter ...I think Silverton comes under exeter reg district.

IGI ext
William Legg s/o William Legg and Hannah
 29 OCT 1826   Crediton,
 

deb
Travellers = Penfold, Orchard, James
Devon = Middleton,  Waterfield, Adams, Clark/e, Gould
Cornwall = Palmer, Carnarton, Slack/Smith. Morris/h
Wales, New Quay = James, Evans


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