TREASE/TRAIES continued...

[kerryb]

Hi Sam

Samuel born 1810 died 20 January 1890 aged 79 years from gout and bronchitis at the Shoreditch Workhouse.  He was formerly a Gas meter worker.  He was my 4 x great grandfather.  I have a copy of his death certificate. 

I did sometime ago ask for a 1831 Hackney census check on Traies and nothing came up but I would like to check again and look at 1821 if at all possible.  One day I might even get to visit Hackney! 

Kerry

[deb usa]

Hi all and a special hi to Sam

I am not a Traies/Trease family member .... but I feel like I am an adoptive member of the family     How great that you have hooked up with this thread.

James f/o mary Ann b  c 1774 , was a carpenter ..... Kerry's James was a tin plate worker .... were these trades/occupations interchangeable or totally different?

If James f/o MA b 1774 is related , then the family may have left Devon sooner than we think.

deb

[kerryb]

Hi Deb

I'm struggling with my memory here but I think there were Traies in London earlier anyway, Bob has a will I think for a John who might be an Uncle or cousin or something?

I must look at his site as I am sure it will be on there.

Kerry

[oldmanriver]

Hi all,

The 1831 Hackney census was mentioned in a recent message.  I discovered someone offering free look-ups on this census earlier today and contacted her.

She replied to my request within about an hour, but said there was no TRAIES (or anything similar) listed.  Only the name of head of household is given.  There was no head of house called LOOKER either.  There was a Charles Thomas SUTTON listed at Ebenezer Place, Shacklewell.  He may have been  connected to Ann SUTTON.

I didn't know that Samuel TRAIES, son of James TRAIES and Hannah, died in Shoreditch Workhouse.  I've had a look at www.workhouse.org.uk and searched for Shoreditch - it must have been a most dismal place even in the late 1800's, although some improvements would have been made by then.

Bye for now

Bernice

[kerryb]

Hi

If anyone wants a copy of Samuel's death certificate let me know and I will email a copy to you.

I have his wife Ann's death certificate also.

Kerry

[samtraies]

I had a quick look at the Tower Hamlets local history library and checked out the St Mary Stratford Bow baptisms, and didn't find anything.  However, there were missing records, and I suspect they were more imcomplete than indicated.  So, it's definitely worth trying them again at the LMA. What was useful though, is they suggested the best place (or perhaps only place) for Mile End records in that period is the Parish of St Dunstan, Stepney. I did try to look at those in the Tower Hamlets library, but they were just too hard to read.

It's funny that if you type "Hannah Sutton" into FamilySearch, it gives you Ann Sutton records.  There was one  Christened in Shoreditch, but of course, there would be no way of knowing if it's her.

Kerry,  I would like to have a copy of Samuel and Anne's death certificates, if you don't mind. Thanks

[kerryb]

I will scan and email to you tomorrow morning Sam.. Would do tonight, but this humid weather has made feel extremely weary and lethargic.  Oh for a cooling breeze 

Kerry

[kerryb]

By the way the heat's going to my head now.  Samuel, son of James's wife was Elizabeth not Ann.  Ann was his sister 

Kerry

[kerryb]

So do we think that Hannah and Ann Sutton were one and the same person and they didn't marry till 1818 after their first 4 children were born?

Incidentally we have never managed yet to find a death for Jane Traies born 1809 who presumably died before 1823 when the second Jane Traies was born.

Kerry