TREASE/TRAIES continued...

[kerryb]

Hi Sam

Welcome to Rootschat and welcome to our little Trease/Traies group.

I was just about to answer your email.  You mentioned the death of Martha and that can be confirmed as I have the death certificate. 

It would be great if you could check the baptisms at Hackney.  I guess you have the details for them? I really want to crack this one because I think I am becoming a little obsessed with James LOL  he is becoming a fascinating man.   

Kerry

[oldmanriver]

Hi Sam and welcome to Rootschat.

It would be great if you could check some of the registers in the LMA for the elusive baptisms for the younger children of James TRAIES.  I presume you know we are also looking for the marriage to his first wife, Hannah and her burial record. 

I used to do family history research in London quite frequently when we lived in Bedfordshire, but have not been to London at all since we moved to South Wales nearly four years ago.  It is only over about the last two years that we have become aware of the TRAIES family who are part of my husband's side of the family.

Good Luck

Best wishes

Bernice

[kerryb]

Hi Bernice

Can I just add to that the death of Ann also who must have died, presumably, just before 1831 when James married Martha Looker.  Presumably also in the Hackney area.

Kerry

[samtraies]

Thanks very much for the warm welcome!
I will try to get to either the London Metropolitan Archives (for the Stratford-le-Bow records) or the Hackney Archives this week.  I can't promise too much since I haven't tried such a trip with only my daughter and myself, usually my partner Steve comes along too (and one of us watches her and the other looks at records). But if it's not sucessful, my partner should be able to make a trip soon after.

My understanding of what I am looking for is:
baptism records from 1816-1827 (James to Emma)
death records from 1816-1818 (Hannah) and from 1827-1831 (Ann)

For Hackney records, St John at Hackney, seems to be the most likely, since most other churches weren't around for the earlier children (of Ann)
And for Bow (Stratford-le-Bow), St Mary, Stratford Bow, seems like the best candidate.
Mile End gets a bit more difficult, since there seem to be an abundance of old churches in the Tower Hamlets area.

Cheers
Sam

[kerryb]

Hi Sam

You've got it covered.  The only other date we have not been able to find is the possible marriage between James and Hannah around 1809.  If there was indeed such a marriage.  The first child was baptised at St Pancras but it might be worth a quick look just in case.

Good luck and just think when your daughter is older she could help 

Kerry

[samtraies]

Hi

I have just returned from the Hackney Archives Centre. I only got a chance to check baptisms today, and didn't find anything.
I guess, I didn't really expect to.  I definitely feel more optimistic about St Mary Stratford Bow.  But I will try and get back to check for the burials and marriages soon.
Did I mention that I looked at Kensington records at St Mary Abbotts?  I only found the burial extracts (is that what they are called?  they were handwritten copies of church records, quite brief) for Martha Traies (nee Looker) and Harriet Sarah Traies and Arthur Ovens Traies, and the baptism for Frederick Henry Traies.  We were'nt really expecting to find those missing baptisms there, but it was worth a try.
There was one other entry which I found very interesting in the St Mary Abbotts records - of course it's way too early to be our James, but interesting anyway. I couldn't read it very well, but this is how I read it:

Traise, My An D of Jm and Han Jun 12 1774, Carpenter, Gravel Pits  [which is where Greyhound Row was]


Cheers
Sam

[kerryb]

Hi Sam

That's interesting, I wonder if this was one of the London traies that Bob has information on.  They may be distant relatives of our James and possibly the reason he left Devon for London

Kerry

[oldmanriver]

Hi Sam

Thanks so much for looking for some of the elusive TRAIES entries in the Hackney Archives, especially trying to search with a baby in tow!  Can't be easy!  You've done very well.

Which member of the TRAIES family are you descended from?My husband is descended from Ann TRAIES, daughter of James TRAIES.  Both Ann and her brother Samuel (Kerry's ancestor) were baptised in Marylebone in 1813.  They were baptised on the same day, although the register says that Samuel was three years old at the time.

I was able to order a film of the Marylebone baptisms and look at them at our local LDS Family History Library.  I could find no further baptisms for TRAIES children after the 1813 entries already seen on the IGI.

The Census return for James TRAIES junior gives Mile End for his place of birth.  His documents from when he was a soldier says he was born in Stratford le Bow. (both places very, very close).  The census returns for the remainder of the children all give Marylebone as their place of birth, although as I've just said I found no baptisms for them in the registers.  It is obvious that by the 1830's, James TRAIES was living in Greyhound Row, Kensington.  It is trying to fit in his movements between 1813 and 1830 is the problem!

It was very interesting to see a further reference to Greyhound Row, in the entry you sent.  It looks to me as if the full entry should read:

TRAISE Mary Ann, 12 June 1774, daughter of James and Hannah, Carpenter, Gravel Pits  (If there was any chance of the Jm being Wm it would be William of course and not James)

We have certainly found that TRAIES is spelt in a variety of ways.  I'm hoping your find helps Bob to find a 'link'.  It certainly looks as if 'our' James was not the first family member to live in Greyhound Row.

Thanks again

Bernice



 

[samtraies]

I'm a descendent of Henry Traies (who is possibly Ann Sutton's first child).  Frederick Henry Traies is my great, great grandfather, and Henry John Traies, the piano tuner and teacher is my great grandfather.

I'd definitely like to get back to Hackney Archives.  I noticed that they have some records for the Shoreditch Workhouse, has anyone checked those for details on Samuel Traies?  It's where he died isn't it? Does this mean that he came upon difficult times? Also, interestingly, they have census records for the Parish from 1831 and 1821, although apparently these don't have a lot of information on them.  A staff member at Hackney Archives told me that most other boroughs or Parishes threw their records away, Hackney was too slack (this is what she told me anyway). Good old Hackney!

I think Tower Hamlets has a local history centre too. That might make it easier for me to get to those Bow and Mile End records.