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« Reply #126 on: Friday 18 July 08 14:23 BST (UK) »
Thanks for confirming that Bernice.

I now understand why all the GRO certificates I have all have one handwriting on them.

So that doesn't rule out the James on all 4 marriages being the same man then.

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« Reply #127 on: Saturday 19 July 08 14:47 BST (UK) »
I want to get to grips with these baptism records we are missing for James children.

Am I right in thinking we have tried St Pancras records and Marylebone?

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« Reply #128 on: Saturday 19 July 08 18:58 BST (UK) »
Hi Kerry

We checked Marylebone, but only found those included on the IGI and already known to us.

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« Reply #129 on: Saturday 19 July 08 19:09 BST (UK) »
Hi Bernice

I'm just wondering if it might be worth checking the Hackney area if James was there, if it is the same James of course?

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« Reply #130 on: Saturday 19 July 08 20:59 BST (UK) »
Hi Kerry

I definately think we should try to look at Hackney and I think that should be our next step.  James jnr born 1816 gave Mile End as his place of birth on his soldier records and I believe on the census.  Mile End is so very close to Hackney.

This is just guesswork, but I think James junior could well be the last child of James and Hannah.  Hannah may have died soon after the birth of James took place in Mile End and then  James Snr could have married Ann SUTTON in 1818.
I can't explain why he said he was a bachelor though!

The other children could well turn out to be those of Ann.  The Hackney registers may supply the burial record of Hannah TRAIES in the years 1816 - 1818 and also the burial of wife, Ann sometime between the birth of Emma in 1827 and 1830 when he married Martha.  He didn't waste much time before getting a new wife each time!

This explanation makes sense to me, but obviously no proof!

Until Bob posted those signatures on the Hackney marriage registers, as you know I was very dubious about him marrying Ann SUTTON and Martha LOOKER.  However, after seeing the signatures from Bob and the death certificate you sent me of Martha TRAIES who died in Greyhound Row, I'm now convinced in my own mind that there was indeed just one James TRAIES marrying all these wives and all the dates seem to fit so well.

Personally, I think that looking at Hackney should be the next step - but I could be proved wrong!!

Bye for now
Bernice

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« Reply #131 on: Saturday 19 July 08 21:13 BST (UK) »
Hi Bernice

Working from memory now but somewhere along the line James jnr had put Stratford le bow as birth place.  Might have been on the service records.  Is that near Hackney?  I seem to think it might be.

I like your guessed explanation, it could have some truth in it and I agree Hackney records should be searched.

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« Reply #132 on: Saturday 19 July 08 22:55 BST (UK) »
Hi Kerry

Yes, Stratford Le Bow was about two miles to the East of London on the Essex Road.  It shares a boundary with Hackney to the North.  (Bethnal Green is to the West).

Off to bed now, goodnight

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« Reply #133 on: Saturday 19 July 08 23:18 BST (UK) »
Brilliant, maybe hopefully Hackney might hold some answers then.  ;)

I really must go to bed too.  ;D

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« Reply #134 on: Thursday 24 July 08 20:57 BST (UK) »
Hello folks,

The man of mystery, James (1785)  is my 4th great grandfather (according to my PAF relationship calculator).  That is, if he's who we suspect he is.
I actually live in Hackney and should be able to get to the archives centre in the next few weeks, unless someone has already made the trip.   I have plenty of free time, but have a lovely 1 year old daughter, who makes these record hunting  expeditions tricky. 
The Mile End/Stratford le Bow records all seem to be at the LMA  and Public Records Office. These would definitely be worth checking too.
I'll let you know if I find anything.

Cheers
Sam Traies
 
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