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Re: TREASE/TRAIES continued...
« Reply #90 on: Saturday 03 May 08 22:38 BST (UK) »
Hello All

Hope all is well with you.

I promised to post a few more references to TRAIES that I have come across.  Maybe one or two will be of use.

Sacrament certificate 1775 - William TRAIES, Crediton QS21/1775/12

Wills on line - 1810 - John TRAIES, Liberty of the Rolls, Middx. PROB 11/1512
1828 - Rebecca TRAIES, Widow, St Lukes Middx PROB 11/1735

Estate Duty Wills - 1841 - Samuel TRAIES Topsham, Devon 1078/IRW/T/553

Court of Chancery - 6 Clerks Office
TRAIES v WIVELL 1800 C12/952/46

Sherbourne and Yeovil Mercury - 4/8/1777 - William Quiller TRAES, 20, Stonemason apprentice, Saltash eloped. 

Devon and Cornwall Notes and Queries page 307. William TRAIES prosperous cordwainer in his will dated 1706 - my son Wm TRAIES may be bound apprentice to a silversmith

London Gazette -
29/12/1829 Iss. 18641 Page 2424
Notice is hereby given, that the partnership subsisting between us the Undersigned, Benjamin LINSEY and William TRAIES, of CAllum Street, in the City of London, Wholesale Bed Feather Manufacturers, is this day dissolved by mutual consent  All debts owing to or by the said copartnership will be received and paid by the said Benjamin LINSEY.  As witness our hands this 24th day of December 1829.

23/11/1830 Iss. 18748 Page 2457
Notice is hereby given, that the partnership subsisting between us the undersigned, Mellony TRAIES and Jane Hasledine COLE, as Milliners and Dressmakers at No 2 Compton Street, Brunswick Square, in the County of Middlesex, was dissolved by mutual consent on the 10th day of November instant, and all debts owing by and to the late partnership will be paid and received by the said Jane Hasledine COLE.  As witness our hands this 17th day of November 1830.

11/6/1901 (Issue and page number not noted)
In the matter of TRAIES & Son Ltd.  At an extraordinary General Meeting of the members of the above named company duly convened and held at 64 Gresham St, Bank EC in the city of London, on the 31st day of May 1901, the following extraordinary resolution was passed.
"That it has been proved to the satisfaction of this meeting that the Company cannot, by reason of its liabilities, continue its business, and that it is advisable to wind up the same, and accordingly that the company be wound up voluntarily and that Percy MASON Esq. of 64 Gresham St. in the City of London, Chatered Accountant, is hereby appointed Liquidator for the purpose of winding up.

19/5/1905, page 3627 - more about the winding up of TRAIES and Sons.

16/4/1906, page 405
Notice is hereby given, that the Parnership lately subsisting between us the undersigned, Charles TRAIES and Harold HARDY, carrying on business as General and Furnishing Ironmongers, at 75, Haverstock Hill N.W. under the style or firm of "TRAIES AND HARDY", has this day been dissolved by mutual consent.  All debts due to and owing by the said late firm will be received and paid by the said Charles TRAIES, who will continue the business under the style of Charles TRAIES.  As witness our hands, this 15th day of December 1906.

29/6/1928 Issue 33398 Page 18
Land Registry.
Nos 95/97/99 Ladbrook Grove, Kensington
Freehold
Edward TRAIES 8 Elgin Cres. Notting Hill W11

Further details of children of George ROFFE and Ann (nee TRAIES)
George James ROFFE.  Deb mentioned that on the 1871 census he was a footman in St. Mary Magdelen.  She did not mention that this was in Hastings, Sussex.  He was at 35 Warrior Square - a large household with many servants.  In the Sept qtr 1879 he married Elizabeth ASPINALL in the Kensington RD and by 1881 he is a butler at 19 Eccleston Sq, in ST George Hanover Sq. Westminster.  By 1991 he is still a butler and at home with his family in 18 Howie St Battersea.  In 1901 he is a butler at ?Ogsten Hall, Nr Chesterfield.
James ROFFE married Lydia BLYTHE in the Dec qtr 1876 in Kensington RD.
John ROFFE died 1875 in the Chelsea RD.
Edward ROFFE died in 1851 age 2
Details of Charles ROFFE and Ann ROFFE already posted
William Traies ROFFE married Ann HILLIER Sept qtr. 1888

All the best
Bernice

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Re: TREASE/TRAIES continued...
« Reply #91 on: Sunday 04 May 08 09:13 BST (UK) »
Hi,

I've quickly looked at the TRAIES references. There are many that are of great interest but the one that one that hit my eye immediately is the TRAIES v WIVELL 1800 reference. Abraham WYVIL was an executor of the will of John TRAIES of Paddington 1787, the executors being his brother William and Daniel BASTON.

The name WIVELL is an unusual name and it seems unlikely that references to it are not linked in some way. The reason it is of such great interest is that first two TR**S that appear in Crediton are Richard and Samuel Tr**s who are both recorded in the Crediton marriage register about 1650. In 1646 Michael TREASE of North Petherwin who is on the TREASE family  tree died (possibly around the time of the fall of Pendennis Castle - he was not buried where he lived) and in his will he refers to his sons Richard and Samuel who could be the same Richard and Samuel who appear a few years later in Crediton. On the 1642 assessment return for Michael Trease's farm the following entries appear which implies they were working the farm together:-
Degory Wivell 13s 0d
Michael Treis      .     .
If the Wivell family linked to the TRAIES family is the same Wivell family linked to the TREASE family then the nature of the link may help establish the ancestry of Richard and Samuel TRAIES.  I'll research this but could take months - after getting details of Court Case, next step is possibly 1828 will of  Abraham Wivell, gent of St Pancras, then maybe Degory Weevil's will of 1652 ... etc. etc. or I might find it is all irrelevant...

Re the John Traies will of 1810 - I can't find it - I can find wills of John Webb and William Savage under reference PROB 11/1512 - I have missed PCC wills before - maybe it is me but I find the wills retrieval software quirky - do you remember how you found it?

I'll work through the other references.

Next week I'll post up on website some details of the early TRAIES Crediton references including Richard and Samuel - I am awaiting further information before I post all of it and the extra information may affect/change what is already posted.

Really interesting information.

Bob






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Re: TREASE/TRAIES continued...
« Reply #92 on: Sunday 04 May 08 13:45 BST (UK) »
Hi Bob

I remembered the WIVELL name myself and thought there could be a connection with the will you sent us showing him as an executor.  As you say it seemed quite an unusual name and probably that it had stayed in my head.

Regarding the will of John TRAIES PROB 11/1512.  If you go to the home page of the National Archives site, just type in John TRAIES and then press 'search'.  It is the 7th item displayed on the page. 

I've just checked this and it actually says John TRAIS.  If you type in John TRAIS on the homepage instead of TRAIES, it is the first item that comes up.

Bye for now - Good luck with your TRAIES hunting.  It's difficult to keep track of everyone, but if there is anyone/anything specific that you are looking for put out a message for your 'search party' to help.

Bernice

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Re: TREASE/TRAIES continued...
« Reply #93 on: Sunday 04 May 08 19:34 BST (UK) »
Thanks, Bernice, the will reference appears on that list so I can follow it up. If you go into the  specific search for PCC wills this will does not appear. I have suspected that there was something odd about the specific PCC wills search before but this confirms that it does not pick up some wills. I will redo all my searches using the wider search as I may have missed others.

Many thanks for your kind offer of help,

Regards,

Bob


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« Reply #94 on: Tuesday 06 May 08 23:14 BST (UK) »
Thought the following may be of interest - not properly researched yet but another interesting character linked in some way to the TRAIES family.

I found the following obituary of an Abraham Wivell - yes yet another artist! Link here: -
http://www.wivell.info/images/Wivell_Art%20Journal%20Extract_Obituary.pdf

Interestingly he worked as child labour for a boot and shoe maker in Marylebone for a while.  I think it probable he is linked to the Abraham Wivell who was an executor in the 1787 will of John Traies cordwainer.  It is possible that Abraham Wivell the executor had taken over John Traies of Marylebone's boot and shoe making business and was the artist's uncle.

Could Abraham the artist have inherited the TRAIES artist gene somewhere in his ancestry?

Bob

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Re: TREASE/TRAIES continued...
« Reply #95 on: Wednesday 07 May 08 08:04 BST (UK) »
More interesting information Bob.

I have been following the last few messages with interest.  He must fit in somewhere.

They do seem to be quite a creative lot!

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« Reply #96 on: Sunday 18 May 08 21:57 BST (UK) »
Hi

You may remember that sometime ago we were wondering where the 10th hussars were stationed in the period between the Napoleonic Wars and the Victorian Wars.  These were the years that James TRAIES (son of James) served with the regiment.

A few days ago, I received an e-mail from the archivist at The King's Royal Hussars Museum in Winchester giving me  information about the movements of the regiment.  I thought I'd share the information with you, although names of the individual soldiers were not given.

Jan 1836
Regiment divided equally between Glasgow and Hamilton
May 1836
Regiment moved to England.  HQ and 3 Troops at York and 3 Troops at Newcastle.
May 1837
HQ moved to Nottingham with detachments at Sheffield and Derby
June 1838
Regiment moved to Hounslow.  Duties of The Royal Escort.  On duty at the coronation of HM Queen Victoria (lined streets from Waterloo Place through Pall Mall East and Charing Cross to Northumberland House).
Aug 1938
Detachments escorted her Majesty from London to Windsor.
Sept 1838
Review at Windsor
Nov 1838
Escorted Her Majesty from Windsor to Brighton.
April 1839
HQ moved from Hounslow to Dorchester with detachments to Exeter and Bradford.
Summer 1839
Troops sent in aid of civil power to Frome and Clifton.
Winter 1839
Fresh disturbances and other Troops sent to Chepstow, Newport and Cardiff.
May 1840
Moved to Birmingham for 3 weeks, then Coventry with detachments to Northampton and Weedon.
May 1841
Embarked for Ireland from Liverpool.  Stationed at Portobello Barracks, Dublin,  Several Troops dispersed in aid of civil power to Belfast, Dundalk and Newry.  one squadron sent to Carlow when O'Connell was defeated in the election by Colonel O'Brien.
Aug 1842
Marched to the South of Ireland - Ballincollig with 2 Troops at Cork.
April 1843
Regiment moved to Cahir in Tipperary.  Troops constantly moved in aid of civil power.
Sept 1844
HG at Newbridge.
May 1845
Moved to Ireland Bridge and Portobello Barracks, Dublin.
June 1845
Returned to England.  HQ and 2 Troops to York, 1 Troop to Leeds and 1 Troop to Bradford.
March 1846
Regiment assembled in Canterbury.  Raised from 6 Troops to 9 Troops (customary for regiments proceeding on service to India).  Depot remained at Canterbury.

Bye for now

Bernice

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« Reply #97 on: Sunday 18 May 08 22:12 BST (UK) »
Hi Bernice

If I remember rightly and I working from memory here whilst doing 101 other things, we haven't managed to find James on the 1841 census?  This might give us a clue to his whereabouts.

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« Reply #98 on: Wednesday 11 June 08 20:28 BST (UK) »
Hi Bob and Bernice

We haven't spoken for a month or so but I thought I would just update you with some news.  Funnily enough I have had contact with two Traies contacts this week, the first jas Jane Traies in her tree who married William Roffe and I sent her links to this thread and Bob's website and hope to hear from her when she's caught up on the reading -  ;D ;D ;D

The second is a Traies who I had contact with last year and excitingly she emailed me to let me know that she has been to the Hackney Archives and has seen the marriage record for James Traies and Ann Sutton 1818 and the record for James Traies and Martha Looker 1831 and the signatures are the same.  So could our James have married Ann in 1818.  Of course the way to solve this conundrum would be to find the baptisms for the younger children  :-\  It would also help if we could find a death or burial for a Hannah before 1818.  If James was born 1816 in Stratford Le Bow could she have died there?

Kerry
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