TREASE/TRAIES continued...

[deb usa]

hi
further to Jane Traies b 1802 Crediton d/o JOHN TRAIES and ELIZABETH nee KERSLAKE

missing in 1871;
here she is with her sister Ann b 1811

1871
transcribed under FRANCIS

15 Walton Terrace, St Sidwell, Exeter
Sarah Gradton? head 55 ind
Jane TRAIES boarder unm  68 ind b crediton
Ann TRAIES boarder unm 59 ind b crediton
plus a servant

RG10/2063 fol 29 p52

deb 

[deb usa]

hi

more on Jane and Ann Traies; transcribed under TRAICS

1881
Topsham, Exeter
2 Mile End buildings
Miriam TRAIES head wid 50 retired school mistress b Tavistock ..who is she?
Frances E dau 20 single school teacher b Devon ?
Jane TRAIES boarder unm 78 annuitant b Crediton
Ann TRAIES boarder unm 69 annuitant b Crediton
Anna Haydon boarder 26 farmers daughter b Thorverton, Devon
plus a servant..Sarah Harrill

RG11/2142 114 19

deb 


added ...is Anna haydon a relative of William Haydon who married Rebecca Challice d/o Susanna Traies and Richard Challice. Susanna Traies being the d/o JOHN TRAIES and ELIZABETH nee KERSLAKE 

[deb usa]

okay ...last one for this evening 

Elizabeth Traies b 1820, Baltimore USA
per Bob;
Elizabeth TRAIES
      1819   b. 1819/20 Baltimore USA.
      1861    Census Elizabeth Traies, age 40, Baltimore, Baltimore, United States, Head , Southampton All Saints , Hampshire.
      1881    Census Elizabeth Traies, age 61, Baltimore, United States, United States, Unknown , Bath Cottage, Hound, Hampshire
      ?1891   m. 1891 South Stoneham, Hampshire. Elizabeth Traies (South Stoneham RD Jan-Feb-Mar 1891)

we have her in 1851 with Aunt Jane b 1802 Crediton. Here she is in 1871:

1871...Transcribed under TRAINES,
Hound , Hampshire
Bitterne Buth Cottage
Charles Fredk Williams head mar 60 Water color landscape artist. Teacher of drawing by correspondence b Exeter
Elizabeth TRAIUES secretary unm 51 secry formerly school teacher but invalided b Baltimore United States
Ann Bishop ser

I think she is rather interesting .... will try to find her marriage and her in 1891!

deb

[deb usa]

WOOOOOOHOOOOOO I figured this would happen

marriage ;
Elizabeth TRAIES mar q 1891  South  Stoneham Hampshire
same page:
Charles Frederick Williams mar q 1891 South Stoneham  Hampshire 

she was his secretary in 1881!!

deb

[deb usa]

1891
Hounds Hampshire
Bath cottage
Charles F WILLIAMS head mar 80 landscape painter b exeter
ELIZABETH WILLIAMS wife 71 b Baltimore , USA
Jane Smith serv

deb 

[deb usa]

 ...I promise last one for tonight 

can't find them in 1901 ...
possible deaths

-Charles Frederick Williams b 1810 died ~Dec q 1894 Southampton Hampshire

- Elizabeth Williams b abt 1820 died dec q 1894 Southampton Hampshire
- Elizabeth Williams b abt 1820 died mar q 1899 Southampton Hampshire

deb

[kerryb]

Blimey ...this is the worst one 

I see that you did not have Samuel Traies who married Elizabeth lock, in the 1851;

from Bob's tree:
Samuel TRAIES    1791   c. 5Oct1791 Crediton Samuel son of John and Elizabeth TRAIES IGI C050743)
   1823   Samuel Traies, Master of Workhouse, Camberwell (Pigot’s London & Provincial Directory, 1823/4)
   1831   m. 29Mar1831 St. Giles, Camberwell, Surrey. Samuel TRAIES and Elizabeth LOCK (IGI M06262)
   1841   Census Finsbury St George The Martyr Samuel Traies 45 licensed victualler Elizabeth Traies 35 Hannah 25 Ind (under TRACES)   
   1857   d. 30Mar1857 Gravesend, Kent Samuel Traies (Gravesend RD Apr-May-Jun 1857 2a 147)


1851
Marylebone
Samuel Trueis head mar 59 dealer in beer b Crediton
Elizabeth wife 45 b Surrey
Ann raberty???un 15 servant?
transcribed under SQUERI 

HO107/1486 fol 631 p8

deb 

Have we finally worked out who this Samuel is then?  At last, he has been cropping up for ages and it would be good to fit him in somewhere.

Kerry

[gardenerbob]

Kerry - here is the link to Samuel's family now added to website:-
http://www.trease.org.uk/traies/txt/txt17w_mb.htm#18j_ek

Deb,
Although I've put the TRAIES family on the TREASE website, it is not proven/known that the two families have the same ancestry so I've kept them totally separate - to get to the TREASE main genealogy chart use this link - you can then branch all over the place  - if you then click underlined names you can get to family histories:-

http://www.trease.org.uk/trt/trt00.htm

I'll go through your posts in detail later in the week- one thing I noticed you have found that is of enormous interest is the marriage to the artist Charles Frederick Williams - that is very very interesting and thank you. William TRAIES the artist is part of this family but research so far does not indicate he descended through William and Mary .

Re the Challice family of Thorverton - I should have put a question mark alongside  it - it was not on the original research done into the family and was added by me when I built the website as this Richard Challice seemed to fit.

Bob

[gardenerbob]

The Miriam Traies in the 1881 census is I think Miriam nee Cartwright? the wife  of William Hugh Downman Traies who appears to be the son of William Traies the artist.  I believe his brother John Francis Traies was also known as Frank Downman Traies another artist.

I have not discovered anything more about Charles Frederick Williams so maybe he did not become well known - but sometimes these artists used pseudonyms. There appears to be a highly respected Williams family of artists but have not fitted him in. There was also an artist called Townsend in Exeter - could he be related to the Townsend in James's tree?

All very interesting.

Bob