TREASE/TRAIES continued...

[kerryb]

 

I have to say Deb you could well be right.  I've had another look at the page and there are other capital Ds and it does look like them.  Sadly no capital Ts on that page to compare with.

Oh well back to the drawing board.

Kerry

[deb usa]

so sorry, Kerry 

I have had another look around and found this baptism ... I believe it is the same as the TARIES' one but much clearer.

James Stephen Davies
6 Jun 1817
s/o James and Hannah Davies
St Leonard Shoreditch
Hackney
his DOB = July 31, 1815 ...which fits with his burial age.

deb

[oldmanriver]

Hi all

I just want to correct a slight error.  In my previous message I mentioned the place of birth of James TRAIES (junior, soldier) being given as St. Mary le Bow on one occasion - this should have read Stratford le Bow.  St Mary is the name of the parish church in that parish, so the full name of the parish was St. Mary, Stratford Le Bow.  (sometimes called St. Mary, Stratford at Bow).

If anyone is interested in the huge subject of the growth of the London parishes.  I suggest they look at the publications sold by the West Surrey Family History Society.  Many years ago, when I first stumbled upon London and Middlesex ancestors of my own (not TRAIES who belong to my husband's family) I bought a few of West Surrey FHS research guides and found them extremely useful, once I began to understand them.

The guides are all in my opinion very cheap to buy.  I bought

No. 2.  Suburban London before 1837, a map showing the Parish boundaries. (with a few notes on the reverse about the early parishes)

No. 6.  Genealogical Research in Victorian London and the accompanying map which shows the Registration Districts and Parishes in 1877.  (You need to have both of these to understand what the guides mean)

No 8.  A Genealogical Gazetter of Mid-Victorian London (to help find streets as they were in 1877, many of which changed names so will not be found on present day maps)

I've also got No. 33.  A Guide to Middlesex Parish Documents which includes Poor Law Records.

There are these and many others listed on the site of their publications for sale, some of them no doubt updated versions of those I have, plus new publications since I bought mine about 15 years ago (very little information on line then so I have made many trips to London visting various record offices and libraries in the past.

Best wishes
Bernice

[kerryb]

Thanks Bernice

I will look into these, they sound as if I would find them really useful.

Kerry

[DAttride]

I am trying to locate the person who created the website:
http://www.trease.org.uk/trb/trb17w_gg/trb17w_gg_excise.htm

There is an entry that mentions my ancestor Thomas BASSETT.  I would like to learn what records to search to find out more about Thomas' service as an Excise Officer.

David Attride

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[gardenerbob]

Dear David.

The Excise records are held at The National Archives in Kew. There are two sets of records that I have looked at - the Entry Papers and the Excise Minute books.
The entry papers give details of the sureties etc. Unfortunately entry papers prior to 1820 have not survived so for your Thomas Bassett you will have no luck but if like my family there were later entrants to the Excise Service you may be able to retrieve their entry papers.
The Excise Minute Books are hard bound books with daily entries recording significant matters such as postings/promotions/demotions of Excise Officers. For your Thomas Bassett you should be able to find and transcribe entries relating to his various postings from the start to the end of his career.
The Excise Minute Books are class 47. Each minute book had an index. When I researched this at Kew, the indexes had been put onto microfilm, so I looked at the index of each minute book in the relevant period for the Excise Officer I was researching to see if they were mentioned in that book and if so requested the book so I could look at the entry. It may be that these records have now been converted to digital images in which case research could be done without getting a readers ticket - necessary fro retreiving original documents.

Let me know if this helps or if you have other queries.

Bob.

[DAttride]

Hi Bob,

Thank you so much for your detailed replay.  I live in the U.S. and am not at all familiar with the records at Kew.  I will have to check online to see if I can access any of them.  In 2 months I am going to the LDS Family History Library in Salt Lake City.  I was hoping to find microfilms of Excise records in their vast library but have checked their online card catalog and see that they do not have these records.  Perhaps I will have to consider hiring a researcher.
David

[kerryb]

Hi all

Ages since I've said anything on here and ages since I've done any family history. 

Today filling a boring and cold afternoon I have been going through the database available on ancestry from LMA and on checking the Land Tax records I have found 3 entries for a James Traies paying rent to a George Archer in Stepney, Mile End.  That gets us a little nearer to pinning down the birthplace of James jnr born 1816 and we think Mile End. 

From 1821 to 1829 he appears to be St Marylebone which certainly fits with Jane born there in 1823.  That should be where Emma and Hannah were born in that case!

Kerry

[deb usa]

Kerryyyyyyyyyy 

Believe it or not but I was thinking of the Traies Family two days ago and wondered about everyone.

How fab that you posted.

deb