TREASE/TRAIES continued...

[deb usa]

Hi everyone

Did James marry a LUCY ..I ask as there is a baptism of LUCY ANN:

Lucy Ann Traies
born Jan 17th 1852
Baptism 29 Feb 1852 , St Luke Chelsea
Father = James Traies, = TIN PLATE WORKER
Mother = Lucy Traies
address = Bond street

There were banns read for James Trais and Lucy Brown both of Harrow Street
1848... Saint Mary, Paddington Green
30 Jan
6 and 13 Feb

the marriage is there , Feb 28th, 1848 but this James' dad was James, whitesmith...so this looks like James' son James LOL
Lucy Brown was a widow ..her father as James ROPES/Roper (soldier)
witnesses to James and Lucy' marriage were: William henry ROFFE and Jane ROFFE

I think we have this info  but did we know Lucy Brown was nee ROPE??


deb

[deb usa]

Hi again

James Traies lived in Queen Street

I have found an unusual amount of Traies people's burials/deaths in Queen st circa 1823 ..seems that there may have been small pox going around. I am not sure if they belong to our Traies family but thought I would post.

All QUEENS STREET, St Luke, Chelsea

Thomas Traies bc  1821 24 Oct 1823  age 2
Jane Traies bc 1819 17 Oct 1823  age 4 sm pox ..possibly child of William and Hannah Traies
Thomas Traies bc 1799 24 Oct 1823 age 24  sm pox ...

William Traies bc 1758 14 Feb 1840

here's one that def. looks like Trais on original
Mary Ann Frais bc 1819 20 Oct 1839 Saint John The Baptist, Hoxton Hackney
Chatham Gardens

deb 

[deb usa]

ooo look 

re; Lucy Brown nee Rope??

she was bc 1817 brighton Sussex

IGI extracted
LUCY ROPER d/o Joseph and Lucy
2 FEB 1817   St Nicholas, Brighton, Sussex

[gardenerbob]

Dear Deb,

The William Traies who died in 1840 is certainly James's Uncle William who was a soldier and who was christened in 1758 - amazing he was retired from the army on ill health grounds around 1800 but lived another 40 years.  His burial is a really useful find. Interesting he was around in the area and may have advised the James's son who married Lucy Brown. I did not know Lucy's father was also a soldier with surname Ropes/Roper.

The recent posts about the Martin marriage have given more information about the other uncle who was a soldier.

I am not sure about the other burials - I'll look into them.

Bob

[deb usa]

Hi again

 ...Bob's site has;
sp. Lucy BROWN (widow)
1851    Census Lucy Traies, a. 34, Brighton, Sussex, England, Wife, Chelsea, Middlesex, laundress with two sons Charles, a. 9, born Northants and George, a. 6, born Wiltshire.

I wonder if this is the marriage;

Lucy ROPER = William BROWN
 Mar q 1838
 Radford : Nottinghamshire
15 691 


umm will keep looking

deb

[deb usa]

Hi Bob

Didn't see you there 

Wiliam and Hannah Trais had a son James baptised in Queen Street July 30th, 1824 ..William the dad was a pensioner.

going round in circles as usual 

deb

[gardenerbob]

Hi Deb,
I currently have this family as shown below. It has never been posted on the website because the whole tree of which this is just a part is too speculative. It seems that the William attributed to the marriage cannot be the William shown as he could never have been a pensioner when only 21 years old. I am finding it hard to believe that William Traies the soldier who definitely was a pensioner and would have been about 61 if he married in 1819, married a young lady of child bearing age and brought up a  family so late in life ... but  he wanted to be looked after and had a pension and she wanted security so there is definitely synergy there.

         FAMILY of WILLIAM TRAIES and HANNAH KNIGHT
William TRAIES
1798   c. 3May1798 Crediton, Devon. son John and Hannah TRAIES (IGI C050743)
1819   m. St Lukes, Chelsea William TRAIES and Hannah KNIGHT (Pallots Index)
1840   d. ?.?.1840?.

Hannah KNIGHT
Nothing more known.
NOTE: The Hannah TRAIES who married Robert HUNT in 1853 is unlikley to be this Hannah as that Hannah appears to have produced two children.

   Jane TRAIES
   1819   c. 26Sep1819 St Luke, Chelsea, London. Jane daur William and Hannah TRAIES (IGI C067053)
               
   Thomas William TRAIES
   1823   c. 13Apr1823 St Luke, Chelsea, London Thomas William son William and Hannah TRAIES (IGI C067053)
            
   James TRAIES
   1824   b. 30Jul1824 )
   1826   c. 30Jul1826 ) St Luke, Chelsea, London. James son William and Hannah TRAIES (IGI C067053)
   1869   d. ?Chelsea, London James Traies age 46 (Chelsea RD Oct-Nov-Dec 1869 1a 64)
   
   Henry TRAIES
   1828   c. 12Oct1828. St. James, Paddington, London. Henry son of William, labourer, and Hannah TRAIES (P71 register mf LMA)
   ?1855    d. Strand, London. Henry Traies (Strand RD  Apr-May-Jun 1855 1b 278)

The Jane baptism  accounts for one of the burials, the Thomas burial could easily be another son Thomas who died young.
The Thomas died 1823 aged 24 is strange -  could it be from another unrecorded marriage of William? - he had been invalided out of the army shortly before the birth of this Thomas.

I am now going to look into the 1839 Mary Ann Frais burial at Hoxton.

This is fascinating,

Bob

[kerryb]

Hi Bob

Having seen all those baptisms for children of William and Hannah over the last couple of days thanking for explaining who they were

I have copy of marriage certficiate of Hannah Traies and Robert Hunt and it says daughter of James Traies Tin Plate Worker so I presume this Hannah born 1825 (sorry not sure without looking) one of the siblings we have yet to find baptisms for.

Kerry

[deb usa]

Hi Bob

When William Traies marries Hannah Knight in 1819 he is a WIDOWER. (married by Banns)

St Lukes
William TRAIES = Hannah Knight.... they both sign
William = widower
witnesses; Thos Bryan and John New??

There is a William who married  on  20 Sep 1802 to Jane Anderson in  Saint Dunstan And All Saints .

Both of these Williams sign their name as Wm Traies and not William Traies

The thing is, who was William married to prior to Hannah Knight as he does state that he is widowed. I wonder if he married in Devon first as I cannot see another marriage in London. Could he have been married twice before reaching the age of 21?  Most probably but with whom and where?

deb