TREASE/TRAIES continued...

[deb usa]

Hi Kerry

ref ;
RG13/1180 18 28

Trying to figure out who Edith Elizabeth Traies is . B 1886 D 1891...

Found a John Trace with wife Grace M and children in 1891...
John = 33 b Taunton Devon
Grace M = 31 b city of London
Percy J =12 islington
Ethel J = 4     "
space between the 2 kids for Edith Elizabeth

John , the dad is a Stage carriage driver 

check back ...found a marriage of John Trace = Grace maria Hill in devon 1877 ... but definitely Trace .... think the only way to find out who she belongs to is to order birth cert.
However ... when looking in  the middlesex area for anyone born during the 1880's with the name Tra* or tre* ...they were the only ones that stuck out to me.... back to the drawing board ...


deb 

[deb usa]

hi Bob ...

you had thought this a possible for Eliza Pearce wife of Richard Gynn Trease .
Christchurch, Marylebone (1861 Census RG9 85 54 p16)
George Paris Head age 35 cabman
Mary Paris Wife age 34
Eliza Paris Daughter age 9 b. abt 1852 Paddington Middx
Caroline Faulkner age 7 ) Nurse children
Joseph Faulkner age 4   )


I traced George the cabman back to 1851 ... 
He is Definitely George Paris b Hampshire 1826, he is a porter  and living with Mary his wife and son John who is 7. They are living in ChristChurch Marylebone.

I have found this interesting family ...but the father is not a cabman, he is a gate porter. he has a daughter named Eliza Pearse , about the right age;
RG9/373 fol 152B p 3...have a look

Also I did find Eliza in 1871
North petherwin, Launceston , Devon
Eliza PEARCE unm 15 b Middlesex Westminster. She is working as a domestic servant for the Gregory family who hail from WARBSTOW and JACOBSTOW

deb

[deb usa]

Hi guys

I have been going through Pallot's trying to find marriages for our Mystery Traies men ...

There was one transcibed as Geo TREYS= Francis BROWN , St Pancras 1836 .... on the original it is Wm Geo Treys.... do you have a missing William anywhere ? 

deb

[oldmanriver]

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reply # 182
just a reminder to myself ...
* Sophia Traies wife of Frederick needs to be found (Bob has Sophia dying in 1918 in Uxbridge , but Fred is already a widower in 1891.)


deb

Hi Deb and all.
 
Just got five minutes to myself and have been catching up on messages.

Re. the missing Sophia TRAIES.

Could the following be what you are looking for:-

Death

Dec 1883 quarter  Kensington RD 1a 110

Sophia TRICA age 55

This Sophia would have been born in about 1838.  This age agrees with the Sophia TRAIES who married Frederick.  The 1881 census for Frederick and Sophia gives the place of birth of Sophia TRAIES as Penzance, Cornwall.

When she married Frederick Henry TRAIES she had married as Sophia CARNE (not BARNES).  I can find the birth of a Sophia CARNE in Cornwall in 1837 which seems to fit with the name of CARNE as being the  correct name.  I suggest that the Sophia TRICA on the death index in 1883 is in fact Sophia TRAIES, wife of Frederick, thus making him a widower on the 1891 and later.

Bernice

[deb usa]

Hi Bernice

Thanks for that ... hopefully it is the correct Sophia which will then put me out of my misery ...LOl

Am having a look around the National Archives and found this , which may be William Henry Roffe's father , John.  William Henry married Jane Traies ...believe it or not I still cannot find them and their children in 1851 ...

NA:
Royal Hospital Chelsea: Soldiers Service Documents WO 97/527/92
JOHN ROFFE Born TUNBRIDGE, Kent Served in 35th Foot Regiment Discharged aged 28 . JOHN ROFFE Born TUNBRIDGE, Kent Served in 35th Foot Regiment Discharged aged 28 35th Foot: Pet - Sme
Date range: 1826 - 1836.

ummm maybe not ... looking at the dates ...it doesn't work out ... this John b c 1808 , William Henry born circ 1822.... 

deb

[kerryb]

He's bound to be related Deb, I think that is where George and William came from - Tunbridge Wells.

Well done Bernice, I bet that is our Sophia

Kerry

[deb usa]

Hi Kerry

Nice to see you

I am not having much luck today ... spotted something Bob does not have ;

Lucy Ann TRAIES d/o James Traies and Lucy Brown ......1851/2 b ?
birth;

Lucy Ann Traies Mar q 1852 Chelsea vol 1a p 132

deb 

[kerryb]

Oh brilliant  another one I can cross off the list, I started working through all the children of James adding the information to my family tree and the census returns and noted that one to check out.  Mind I didn't get very far, it is so cold here all I wanted to do this afternoon was curl up under a duvet with a good book.

OH told me I needed some exercise    Probably true but I hate this cold wind

Kerry

[gardenerbob]

Deb's Eliza Pearce 1871 census entry undoubtedly refers to our Eliza and narrows Middx down to Westminster parish where there is a birth recorded for Eliza Pearce in March Quarter 1855 - I've passed your information back to the relative researching that side of the family who will probably get the birth cert first and then decide about the 1861 census return - the Indian connection on that return points to that George having served in the Army or Navy.  Thanks Deb - I'll let you know the outcome.

I'll try and get the TRAIES website up to date again tonight with Sophia's correct details - Lucy Ann Traies etc. TRICA is a weird transcription error - it seems TRAIES is more often mistranscribed than not. Then I'll do Twilight's update plus the people Deb found over a month ago now!

Bob