TREASE/TRAIES continued...

[kerryb]

Interesting Bob and I look forward to seeing what you find.

The Traies family have been on the back burner for me over the last couple of months as I have researched closer to home - Sussex.

But oh the mysteries still remain 

Kerry

[gardenerbob]

Hi,
Looked at 2 microfilm records for Sergeant William Traise summarised below - signature is clearly spelt TRAIES so he is definitely a Traies. I reckon he is James's Uncle - all seems to fit. If so, he possibly came to London about 1775 where he joined the army having originally been apprenticed to a Fuller.

Tower Hamlets Militia
1.  Discharge note dated 17th November 1797  -  28th Regiment of Infantry of which Lieutenant General Prescott is Colonel
Sergeant William Traise born in the Parish of Trinity, Exeter, Devon aged 42 years and by trade a fuller hath served honestly and faithfully 22 years but being consumptive and sickly and having contracted his illness at Gibraltar about the first day of January 1797 is hereby discharged and humbly recommended as a proper object of His Majesty’s Royal Bounty of Chelsea Hospital.
This document is signed by Wm Traies (spelt TRAIES)

2.   Enrolment certificate signed and dated 24th April 1802 at Mile End – 2nd Royal Regiment of which Matthew Smith is Colonel
Sergeant Wm Traise in Captain Merceron’s Company was enrolled to serve as a substitute in the said Militia 20th December 1797 and whose time expires 19th December 1802

Regards,

Bob

[oldmanriver]

Hello Bob

Thanks for the message.

Presumably both National Archive references are for the same William TRAIES.  I have been trying to interpret exactly what they mean!

As I understand it, although recommended to receive a pension from the Chelsea Hospital, following his discharge in Nov 1797, it was probably refused.  A month after his discharge it seems he was enrolled to serve as a substitute in the militia from Dec 1797 until Dec 1802.  Is this how you read it, or am I missing something?  Even if his health was not good, if desparate for men he may have been accepted.

Tower Hamlets of course includes Bow and Mile End and Hackney all of which we have come across trying to trace 'our' James TRAIES, so as you say it could well indicate a connection between William and James.

Regarding the time that James TRAIES spent in Marylebone, it is obviously such a shame that the 1841 census for the area is missing.  However, the census returns for Marylebone in 1821 and 1831 do exist.  I have ordered these through our local LDS Library and received a phonecall yesterday to say that they have arrived.

I have arranged to go to view them next Tuesday afternoon and will let you know if I find any entries on either film for TRAIES (or similar).  Obviously the information given is going to be very limited but hopefullly it should give the name of the householder - anything else would be a bonus.

Regards

Bernice

[gardenerbob]

Hello Bernice,

That is the way I read it. It is strange that the enrolment certificate is dated April 1802 - you would have thought that it would have been dated December1797 - perhaps William lost an earlier one issued. Captain Merceron may be related to the Huguenot family of that name in the East End.  The documents are not on the same microfilm but both refer to Sergeant William Traies. In the first his name is written as Traise on the documents but he signs as "Wm Traies". The transcription I made of the second document at Kew actually shows name spelt as "Traies" although I mistranscribed  it as Traise on my previous post - he did not sign that document.
As both documents relate to a Sergeant William Traies spelt that way I think that the two documents almost certainly relate to the same person. I'll add a fuller transcription to the website shortly.
Next time I go to Kew I'll get photocopies of the documents - I was in a rush on my last visit and should have spent more time examining them including getting photocopies.
What particularly interested me was that the 1802 document was issued at Mile End where James Traies junior who also joined the army was born. It raises the possibility that there was a Traies presence in that area (such as a retired Sergeant William Traies or maybe another Traies relative such as William's brother Joseph who also appears to have been in the army).

Regards,

Bob

[gardenerbob]

Dear Bernice,

I've now added the transcripts to the website under this link:-
http://www.trease.org.uk/traies/txb/txb17s_ec_w_career.htm

In note 7 on the enrolment certifcate, I've added links to the history of the Tower Hamlets militia and the links between the militia and the Merceron family. The link to the British History on-line site gives absolutely fascinating background on London's East End at that time.

I feel that that circumstantial evidence is that this William Traies is James's Uncle but it is not proven. I agree that further research is needed on the enrolment certificate - and have outlined a few things that can be done - the London Metropolitan Archives may have further records that can assist.

If it is James's uncle he may have been living in the East End when James came to London. He may have married etc... and there may have been a brother or sister nearby.

Bob

[kerryb]

Hi all

Well that certainly might explain what James was doing in the Hackney area when he was apparently there marrying all these different women!

Kerry

[kerryb]

Quick question

Do we know who the William Traies buried 15 April 1831 at bunhill Fields age 2 years and 6 months was.  His address was Powell Street?

Everytime I do a burials look up on FindMyPast for Traies he always comes up.

Kerry

[deb usa]

Hi everyone

Kerry ...have you seen this one on IGI, extracted

WILLIAM HUGH DOWNMAN TRAIES s/o William Traies and Maria
 18 FEB 1827   Holy Trinity, Exeter
 
deb

[kerryb]

Hi Deb

Long time no speak 

Thanks for that, I can slot him in and he's not my direct line.  For a minute there I thought he might be an unknown child of our James. 

Hang on though, if he was born in Exeter, would he have died in London.  Hmmm this family

Kerry